From syncman0x at gmail.com  Sun May 22 13:08:11 2022
From: syncman0x at gmail.com (Mr Andrew Sinclair)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 13:08:11 +1000
Subject: [BUGS] Hello
In-Reply-To: <20220101112520.6a837e64@ws1.wobblyboot.net>
References: <20211231002949.21f2cefc@ws1.wobblyboot.net>
 <4436350.kJ8LgFSmm2@direwolf.home.arpa.>
 <20211231235100.GI75481@eureka.lemis.com>
 <20220101112520.6a837e64@ws1.wobblyboot.net>
Message-ID: <CAN6VK6kYNofu8e9K3Fh_zp1DJYzVX=PCnwDdK2xTom6UK6cioA@mail.gmail.com>

While on this subject, if the issue is hosting fees, I have two business
hosting accounts with VentraIP prepaid for the next two years; each with
4GB ram and 5GB disk minimum. I have them for development purposes and a
not-for-profit mailing list or two is most certainly welcome there. Perhaps
it might be an opportunity for me to lessen my dependency on Google/Outlook
as I figure out how mail servers actually work?

On the subject of the more popular medium, I wouldn't mind seeing a return
of the USENET style newsgroups which to me were the ideal platform for this
mailing list. What happened to this news protocol?


On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 11:25, matti k <matti.k at gwsit.com.au> wrote:

> Oops I sent using an off list email account (not sure how it got
> approved, some nice moderator i guess)  so may have missed replies ...
>
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:51:00 +1100
> Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 13:11:51 +0800, Alastair Hogge wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 30 December 2021 9:29:49 PM AWST matti k wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >
> > > Hey Matti and *,
> > >
> > >> We are thinking about closing this down due to, well lack of
> > >> interest.
> > >
> > > Closing the mailing list?
> > >
> > >> Is it a good idea?
> > >
> > > Due to a lack of interest, perhaps. If it has become a burden, then
> > > kill it with fire :-D Maintaining something of no use is rather
> > > pointless tho.
> >
> > I think this is more a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
> > Unless I'm missing something, maintaining a list costs effectively
> > nothing.  Maybe people might find us by it.
> >
>
> I think the issue is with mailman-2.x which requires work to migrate
> from
>
>
>
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From areilly at bigpond.net.au  Sun May 22 13:48:49 2022
From: areilly at bigpond.net.au (Andrew Reilly)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 13:48:49 +1000
Subject: [BUGS] Hello
In-Reply-To: <CAN6VK6kYNofu8e9K3Fh_zp1DJYzVX=PCnwDdK2xTom6UK6cioA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20211231002949.21f2cefc@ws1.wobblyboot.net>
 <4436350.kJ8LgFSmm2@direwolf.home.arpa.>
 <20211231235100.GI75481@eureka.lemis.com>
 <20220101112520.6a837e64@ws1.wobblyboot.net>
 <CAN6VK6kYNofu8e9K3Fh_zp1DJYzVX=PCnwDdK2xTom6UK6cioA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC8D72BB-94A8-42C1-BCE3-9B7FD16A41C9@bigpond.net.au>

Usenet is still going, kind of.  I really liked it as a format and mechanism, but haven't actually run a client, and pointed it at a server for many years.
It never recovered from the Endless September, and the last vestiges of signal-to-noise ratio disappeared under a tsunami of spam and machine-generated messages.  Turns out that free (as in lacking an identity mechanism or login process) access combined with no mechanism to filter spam or moderate conversations is not a good match to the modern age (well, there is a moderation mechanism, but it relies entirely on human volunteers).  We can't have nice things.

Just like email, dragging the thread context around as quoted text seems ever-more archaic: that's something that the messaging system ought to be handling for us, and what forums and chat servers do now handle.  Discord seems to fill the usenet niche now, although it's another of the socials that I haven't bothered trying out.  Currently gaining some mass-media fame as the discussion forum of choice for right-wing terrorists and mass murderers.  I guess discord doesn't have its moderation story entirely sorted yet either.

Cheers,

Andrew


> On 22 May 2022, at 13:08 , Mr Andrew Sinclair <syncman0x at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> While on this subject, if the issue is hosting fees, I have two business
> hosting accounts with VentraIP prepaid for the next two years; each with
> 4GB ram and 5GB disk minimum. I have them for development purposes and a
> not-for-profit mailing list or two is most certainly welcome there. Perhaps
> it might be an opportunity for me to lessen my dependency on Google/Outlook
> as I figure out how mail servers actually work?
> 
> On the subject of the more popular medium, I wouldn't mind seeing a return
> of the USENET style newsgroups which to me were the ideal platform for this
> mailing list. What happened to this news protocol?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 11:25, matti k <matti.k at gwsit.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Oops I sent using an off list email account (not sure how it got
>> approved, some nice moderator i guess)  so may have missed replies ...
>> 
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:51:00 +1100
>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 13:11:51 +0800, Alastair Hogge wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 30 December 2021 9:29:49 PM AWST matti k wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Matti and *,
>>>> 
>>>>> We are thinking about closing this down due to, well lack of
>>>>> interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Closing the mailing list?
>>>> 
>>>>> Is it a good idea?
>>>> 
>>>> Due to a lack of interest, perhaps. If it has become a burden, then
>>>> kill it with fire :-D Maintaining something of no use is rather
>>>> pointless tho.
>>> 
>>> I think this is more a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
>>> Unless I'm missing something, maintaining a list costs effectively
>>> nothing.  Maybe people might find us by it.
>>> 
>> 
>> I think the issue is with mailman-2.x which requires work to migrate
>> from
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BUGS mailing list
>> BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org
>> https://www.rulingia.com/mailman/listinfo/bugs
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From syncman0x at gmail.com  Thu May 26 17:46:20 2022
From: syncman0x at gmail.com (Mr Andrew Sinclair)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 17:46:20 +1000
Subject: [BUGS] An ideal filesystem, as seen on my FreeBSD/ZFS NAS.
Message-ID: <CAN6VK6npnKe-kGWc3+vWqu31_8=UOtgZot=zUzWB+Pq0KgxKDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Given that the fate of this mailing list has come into question, I offer
for debate, a map of an ideal file system.

The gist of it is, (1) we start by adding a folder named /sole/ to the
system root. This folder is always kept in sync between all hosts under
your control via unison or syncthing. It will never be touched by the
operating system. The /sole/ folder should contain no vendor
interpretations of what should be in the user folder by default; Melodies,
Pictures, .config, .local; that kind of thing. If it does contain any files
influencing system activity, they would be symbolic links to files the
operator is comfortable to synchronise in a heterogeneous environment. I
keep my rclone configuration in such a folder.

The /home/ folder retains its original purpose for system generated files
deemed impractical for synchronisation; that is to say, application
configuration and cache folders specific to one host.

(2) We can then speculate on four root-level folders that ought to be seen
on a NAS, running FreeBSD with a ZFS root ideally.

YYYY,WW:2022,21;
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/internet/
    ./file//
        ./archived//
            ./sqlite-autoconf-3380500.tar.gz ->
../../https/www.sqlite.org/2022/sqlite-autoconf-3380500.tar.gz
        ./backup//
            ./cygwin--setup-x86_64.exe ->
../../https/cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe
        ./curate//
            ./00, The Global Menu//
            ./10, Resource 1//
                ./cygwin--setup-x86_64.exe ->
../../https/cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe
            ./20, Resource 2//
                ./sqlite-autoconf-3380500.tar.gz ->
../../https/www.sqlite.org/2022/sqlite-autoconf-3380500.tar.gz
            ./99, your choice please//
        ./database//
            ./internet.sql
            ./internet.sqlite
        ./revision//
            ./github.com//
                ./git//
                    ./git//
            ./svn.freebsd.org//
                ./base//
                    ./stable//
        ./software//
            ./java//
            ./netbeans//
            ./eclipse//
            ./libreoffice//
    ./ftp//
        ./ftp.freebsd.org//
            ./pub//
    ./http//
        ./www.w3.org//
            ./standards//
    ./https//
        ./cygwin.com//
            ./setup-x86_64.exe
        ./www.sqlite.org//
            ./2022//
                ./sqlite-autoconf-3380500.tar.gz

/intranet/
    ./0,common//
        ./file//
            ./archived//
                ./2000-00-00--00-00-00--mywork.txz
            ./backup//
                ./mywork.txz
            ./curate//
                ./00, The Regional Menu//
                ./10, Option 1//
                    ./mywork.txz -> ../../backup/mywork.txz
                ./20, Option 2//
                    ./2000-00-00--00-00-00--mywork.txz ->
../../archived/2000-00-00--00-00-00--mywork.txz
                ./99, your choice please//
            ./database//
                ./common.sql
                ./common.sqlite
            ./revision//
                ./myrepo//
            ./software//
                ./mysource//
        ./ftp//
        ./http//
        ./https//
    ./1,personal//
    ./2,professional//
    ./3,public//
        ./file//
            ./curate//
                ./00, The Public Menu//
                ./99, your choice please//
            ./database//
                ./public.sql
                ./public.sqlite
        ./ftp//
        ./http//
        ./https//
    ./afs//
    ./nfs//

/host/
    ./$(hostname --domain)//
        ./$(hostname --short)//
            ./etc//
            ./var//
            ./home//
                ./cccc//
                    ./.config//
                    ./.local//
                ./tttt//
                    ./.unison//
                ./____// -> ./cccc//
                ./@@@@// -> ./tttt//
/user/
    ./home//
        ./cccc//
            ./.config//
            ./.local//
            ./Audios// -> ../../sole/cccc/common/Audios//
            ./Documents// -> ../../sole/cccc/document//
            ./Downloads// -> ../../sole/cccc/download//
            ./Music// -> ../../sole/cccc/common/Music//
            ./Pictures// -> ../../sole/cccc/common/Pictures//
            ./Videos// -> ../../sole/cccc/common/Videos//
        ./tttt//
            ./.unison//
        ./____// -> ./cccc//
        ./@@@@// -> ./tttt//
    ./sole//
        ./cccc//
            ./common//
                ./Audios//
                ./Melodies//
                ./MultiMedia//
                ./Pictures//
                ./Videos//
            ./config//
                ./dot//
                    ./.config//
                    ./.local//
                ./etc//
                    ./zsh//
            ./document//
                ./ATO//
                ./IRS//
            ./download//
                ./file//
                    ./paid-app//
                    ./paid-pdf//
                ./ftp//
                ./http//
                ./https//
        ./tttt//
                ./dot//
                    ./.emacs//
                    ./.vim//
                ./etc//
                    ./zfs//
        ./____// -> ./cccc//
        ./@@@@// -> ./tttt//
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