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From jlm at caamora.com.au Sat Mar 1 00:51:08 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:51:08 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] an error in bugs page ... i think ??? Message-ID: <20080301005108.36392@caamora.com.au> -----Forwarded message from jonathan michaels ----- Return-Path: Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (gw.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.1]) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id m1TDfo112724 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:41:50 +1100 (EST) Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (localhost.caamora.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1TDfipn086094 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:41:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jlm at gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jlm at localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m1TDfiJt086093 for jlm at caamora.com.au; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:41:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jlm) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:41:44 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: jonathan michaels Subject: [jlm at caamora.com.au: an error in bugs page ... i think ???] Message-ID: <20080229134144.GB86037 at caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XF85m9dhOBO43t/C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ----- Forwarded message from jonathan michaels ----- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:38:08 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: bugs Subject: an error in bugs page ... i think ??? Message-ID: <20080229133808.GA86037 at caamora.com.au> Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia greetings please note attached, found while around bugs page ummmm for whose it may concerns(ed)(dededd) whatever. i found it with links in text mode, it came about while i tried to follow a link that descrbed itself as "page" but is was spelt'ded as "pgae" which produces the attached 404 error ... i never thought that anyone in there right mind would want to imitate me ... gentle grin. take care regards/appreciations jonathan here is teh contents of that page ---- H-SPHERE

Error 404: File Not Found

The requested page is not found. This may happen due to the following reasons:

Page or file is outdated, renamed, moved, or does not exist.
You typed the address incorrectly, like http://www.example.com/pgae.html instead of http://www.example.com/page.html

Please contact your webmaster if you are not sure what goes wrong.

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QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From boris at brooknet.com.au Sat Mar 1 20:00:58 2008 From: boris at brooknet.com.au (Sam Lawrance) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:00:58 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] bugs page .. how it all started In-Reply-To: <20080229214404.55387@caamora.com.au> References: <20080229214404.55387@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <6A7E3D2F-74CC-4075-97A8-A7276CA0A8BA@brooknet.com.au> On 29/02/2008, at 9:44 PM, jonathan michaels wrote: > to those concerned, > > today i've had a look at teh bugs page, i missqueued into the > above page, upon reading i refered to my own notes and ... > > what is written bears little if any resemblance to what really > happened .. the one question i have is what were these > strict rules and where did they come from ?? i have no > recollection of us making any such strictures as regards the > group as a whole or even any significant sub groups within the > (loose as it was) organisation. I'm pretty sure that content was brought across from the old bugs web page, to the intermediate wiki, and finally to where it is right now - so it has probably said the same or similar for years. It's a wiki - feel free to edit. From bart at lindsey.wattle.id.au Sun Mar 2 21:11:59 2008 From: bart at lindsey.wattle.id.au (Bart Lindsey) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:11:59 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Much ado about Sendmail In-Reply-To: <6FF10A8C-7617-417B-9D1B-F28B5B066169@optusnet.com.au> (Jerahmy Pocott's message of "Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:40:19 +1100") References: <6FF10A8C-7617-417B-9D1B-F28B5B066169@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <86myphcu4w.fsf@tron.grid.lindsey.wattle.id.au> Hi Jerahmy, This is an old thread but I see no indication that you've resolved the issue. By default, root is listed in class E users (users that should be exposed as from this host even if we masquerade). Just remove root from class E users and mail from root will get masqueraded. As Trevor pointed out, you'll have to look deeper to find out which machine the email came from. Cheers, Bart. Jerahmy Pocott writes: > Hello again everyone, > > Since we are still talking sendmail.. > > From the sendmail documentation: > > "There are always users that need to be "exposed" -- that is, their > internal site name should be displayed instead of the masquerade name. > Root is an example (which has been "exposed" by default prior to 8.10)." > > Firstly WHY is root an example of a user that needs to be exposed? > > This behavior breaks cron and system logs getting mailed to me, as > exposing root makes the mail server reject the message.. So is there > anything bad about having root get masqueraded? Is there a better > alternative? And how can I force it to masquerade root, I don't see it > any where in the config files.. > > Thanks! =) > J. > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 5 00:26:55 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 00:26:55 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers Message-ID: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> greetings all .. i've been looking at todays spam and noticed a, a striking trend as regards the "From: " line, ever since i made teh mistake of of subscribing to the freebsd mailing lists with my 'normal world' userid/mailing address, some thing to do with not want to hide behind a 'kiddie' identity. well, i've learned my lesson and understand the differernce between a 'kiddie' identity and having a mailing list identity, esp' in todays screwed up world. my question is based on this line From: "Emilio Ouellette" i'm struggling to understand teh inner workings of what is called /etc/login.access (freebsd v2.2.5-R) it has come down to be the same thing in v6.2-R i think. or does /etc/login.access use some other mechanism from this header ? >From lintrappermet at trapper.de Tue Mar 4 21:55:05 2008 Return-Path: Received: from 1.Red-83-34-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net (1.Red-83-34-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.34.127.1]) by mail.hostid.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id m24Ast106074 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:55:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from [83.34.127.1] by mx00.kundenserver.de; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:43:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:43:06 +0100 From: "Emilio Ouellette" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.81.14 Beta) Professional Reply-To: lintrappermet at trapper.de X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <462702110.03409135938168 at trapper.de> To: userid at my-hostid.com.au Subject: Instead of our old formula, the new one is more concentrated and alot more powerful MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; given that most if not all of this information is 'manufactured' by the sender .. so it is possible to use something like /etc/login.access to keep this sort of stuff out of teh system. yes, i understand that tehre are mechanisms like spamassassin to treat the problem AFTER it has become a problem, in essence i want to keep this stuff out of teh the system so that i does not beome a problem. given the now repetative nature of teh garbage flooding the system. i think it should be possible to keep it out. or is this not possible i.e. to use /etc/login.access ? thoughts appreciated much kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From areilly at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 5 08:47:24 2008 From: areilly at bigpond.net.au (Andrew Reilly) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:47:24 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Jonathan, I think that you're barking up the wrong tree, here. login.access has nothing to do with the contents of SMTP headers: you third parties don't have to log in to send you e-mail (although these days it might be the case that *you* have to log in (with SMTP AUTH) to send e-mail.) The mechanisms for keeping mail "out of the system" generally rely on IP-address black-lists, which the SMTP server consults before accepting the connection. These don't look at the headers at all. Cheers, On 05/03/2008, at 00:26, jonathan michaels wrote: > given that most if not all of this information is 'manufactured' > by the sender .. so it is possible to use something like > /etc/login.access to keep this sort of stuff out of teh system. Andrew From matt at pretenda.com Wed Mar 5 12:49:13 2008 From: matt at pretenda.com (Matt Fanning) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:49:13 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: Easiest solution, new email address. Cope with the 2 - 3 month transition as everyone gets your new address, then you will be spam free for the next 6 months if you are lucky :) On 05/03/2008, at 00:27, jonathan michaels wrote: > i've been looking at todays spam and noticed a, a striking > trend as regards the "From: " line, ever since i made teh > mistake of of subscribing to the freebsd mailing lists with my > 'normal world' userid/mailing address, some thing to do with > not want to hide behind a 'kiddie' identity. /matt From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 5 18:53:01 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:53:01 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Reilly on Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:47:24AM +1100 References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:47:24AM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > I think that you're barking up the wrong tree, here. login.access me think that be teh case, but i was hoping that i wasn't, that i'd overlooked some loophole. > has nothing to do with the contents of SMTP headers: you third > parties don't have to log in to send you e-mail (although these days > it might be the case that *you* have to log in (with SMTP AUTH) to > send e-mail.) it was a hair-brained idea that would have beeen nice to pull off so to speak. but... > The mechanisms for keeping mail "out of the system" generally rely on > IP-address black-lists, which the SMTP server consults before > accepting the connection. These don't look at the headers at all. just as an aside, does teh looked up address have to be 'legitimate' ?? what if i put a whole lot of ip-ad-re-ss harvested from years off (repetative) spam, most of which (if not whole off) comes from stuff generated by mail comming/going to freebsd mailing lists -- to reiterate most of teh smap coming here is pretty repetative as per teh "from " "from:" etc headers right down to teh revieved headers. i am thinking if i put those details it shoul put a dent in teh spam traffic, well that and the spam trap as explained in rfc 2083 (sorry not exactly sure if that is the correct rfc ## it describes a way of stuttering/slowing the hello (envelope) phase/handshake out to several minutes this convonces teh sending host that teh recieving machine is too slow/not really there/something else and its not worth persuing teh connection, it gives up teh attamp and goes away not to return till some new spam needs sending .. claims to reduce spam upto 90 something percent. this sounds better to me that changing teh address plan and waiting for it to build up again ... mind you i had thought of doing that, matt, but gave up as it was too much trouble/ effort/ something like that. given how hard it would be to get another /24, well for somebody like read impossible and an ipv6 address while not technically impossible finding a ipv6 address source here/locally well its been a long day. thanks matt/andrew, much appreciated. much kind regards .. sincere jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 5 19:31:16 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:31:16 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 Message-ID: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> greetings, looks like i'm taking a step into teh new world wide internet via the adsl+ mechanisms, i've read many -questions posts about how hard it is to route from one side to teh other and or back again .. frankly, i am not interested in that sort of (nonsense) way of doing things. i am hoping that it is as simple as adding teh adsl+ machines address into the existings networks /etc/hosts/ and /etc/networks/ then to put a second ethernet card into one of teh local network machine and tie teh machines together with a red cable, one of those with the tx/rx wires swapped, sorry i jus cannot recall what that cable is called ??? (mine are red pvc sheathed). some of teh other things i'd thought of doing was adding a scsi cdrom burner, even a usb version and move teh relevent files via teh old sneaker net ?? that gets a bit messy for packages, yes ? perhaps, addinging some 10.10... addresses and parallel port cable to setup a fastlynx typw network connection like in teh dos day over the slow serial port or the faster parallel port. these are the only ways i can think of doing this, inconvenient, all awkward, all messy (network wise) thoughts/suggestions/war stories/etc sincere appreciations kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From areilly at bigpond.net.au Wed Mar 5 19:48:49 2008 From: areilly at bigpond.net.au (Andrew Reilly) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:48:49 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> Hi Jonathan, On 05/03/2008, at 18:53, jonathan michaels wrote: > just as an aside, does teh looked up address have to be > 'legitimate' ?? Well, it's clearly a dynamic IP address, which is a bad sign. Legitimate ISP clients *should* be routing their out-bound mail via the ISP's SMTP server, so this one is probably a spam-bot. > what if i put a whole lot of ip-ad-re-ss > harvested from years off (repetative) spam, most of which (if > not whole off) comes from stuff generated by mail comming/going > to freebsd mailing lists -- to reiterate most of teh smap > coming here is pretty repetative as per teh "from " "from:" etc > headers right down to teh revieved headers. > > i am thinking if i put those details it shoul put a dent in teh > spam traffic, well that and the spam trap as explained in rfc > 2083 (sorry not exactly sure if that is the correct rfc ## You can try that, but unless you're really concerned about the bandwidth, you can (as I do) go a long way to a spam-free existence by deploying bogofilter, a fast bayesian spam filter. I get about three or four thousand spam messages a day, and no more than a dozen or so wind up in my inbox. I've had the same e-mail addresses for more than ten years, and they're easy to scrape off the internet. I agree with you that hiding by changing addresses isn't a very satisfactory solution. Cheers, Andrew From trev at sentry.org Wed Mar 5 19:55:33 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:55:33 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> jonathan michaels wrote: > looks like i'm taking a step into teh new world wide internet > via the adsl+ mechanisms Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's trivial, you need not over-complicate it. PSTN Line --> ADSL router --> Ethernet Switch --> LAN computers =or= PSTN Line --> ADSL router & 4 port switch --> LAN computers Set the default route on appropriate LAN computers to point to the ADSL router and you're done. -- Trevor Roydhouse Mob : 0415-448-273 BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From peterjeremy at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 5 20:34:10 2008 From: peterjeremy at optushome.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:34:10 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: >Legitimate ISP clients *should* be routing their out-bound mail via >the ISP's SMTP server, so this one is probably a spam-bot. That assumes that the ISP is actually competent and can manage an SMTP server - I know at least one that can't. RBLs are a really bad idea because it's far too easy for the ISP's SMTP server to wind up on one (again, I can give example). Currently, one of the best anti-spam measures is greylisting. This will get rid of most of the low-hanging fruit and saves you having to accept the spam. Some sort of Bayesian filter should sop up most of what is left. -- Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.barnet.com.au/pipermail/bugs/attachments/20080305/535dbb53/attachment.bin From edwin at mavetju.org Wed Mar 5 22:06:17 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:06:17 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080305110617.GA2955@k7.mavetju> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:34:10PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: > >Legitimate ISP clients *should* be routing their out-bound mail via > >the ISP's SMTP server, so this one is probably a spam-bot. > > That assumes that the ISP is actually competent and can manage an SMTP > server - I know at least one that can't. RBLs are a really bad idea > because it's far too easy for the ISP's SMTP server to wind up on one > (again, I can give example). > > Currently, one of the best anti-spam measures is greylisting. This > will get rid of most of the low-hanging fruit and saves you having to > accept the spam. Some sort of Bayesian filter should sop up most of > what is left. Greylisting is still a good one for spambots, but not for blocking invalid email from proper MTAs. Use sender address verification (not sender domain verification, full address verification). And make sure you create yourself a report with the ones temporary rejected by that one because there is a lot of braindead webbased software which sends out email in the world. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 5 22:21:26 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:21:26 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org>; from Peter Jeremy on Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:34:10PM +1100 References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080305222126.56611@caamora.com.au> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:34:10PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Andrew Reilly wrote: > >Legitimate ISP clients *should* be routing their out-bound mail via > >the ISP's SMTP server, so this one is probably a spam-bot. > > That assumes that the ISP is actually competent and can manage an SMTP > server - I know at least one that can't. RBLs are a really bad idea > because it's far too easy for the ISP's SMTP server to wind up on one > (again, I can give example). RBL's may have as tome stage been a good idea .. i no longer think that tthye are worth the data-stream that they pretend to stop. there mybe a few (very few) reputible managers but from teh complaints that i have heard, even about the honest rbl managers who also make honest mistakes. it is what they do after the 'false listing'/'mistake' is made is what difereniates good/bad .. even so i don't think that rbl's are worth much beyond 'feel good' esentially . .anyway > Currently, one of the best anti-spam measures is greylisting. This > will get rid of most of the low-hanging fruit and saves you having to > accept the spam. Some sort of Bayesian filter should sop up most of > what is left. i have been doing some reading on Bayesian filtering of late and would like to do it that way, but havent found much reading material on this topic in teh freebsd/sendmail world, so i am thinking perhaps postfix might be a better way forward ??? after some preliminary searches i've seen that postfix configs are readable and managable (from my perspective). any idea's beyond /usr/ports/"mailers toolkits" anything stand out as working better than the others ?? regards/appreciations/much thanks jonathan > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 5 22:42:12 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:42:12 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org>; from Trevor Roydhouse on Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:55:33PM +1100 References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> Message-ID: <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:55:33PM +1100, Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > looks like i'm taking a step into teh new world wide internet > > via the adsl+ mechanisms > > Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's trivial, you need not > over-complicate it. > > PSTN Line --> ADSL router --> Ethernet Switch --> LAN computers > > =or= > > PSTN Line --> ADSL router & 4 port switch --> LAN computers > > Set the default route on appropriate LAN computers to point to the ADSL > router and you're done. yup, thats how i thought the adsl setup would workout, ps i managed to digup a seimans (sorry about the wordorder) what ever it was that was sugested hereabouts a while ago. my origonal question shrouded by my hrt/super heavy duty analgesics (the green pills come as 80 mg), life gets fuxxy about this time of month .. apologies all. as best as i can tell what i want to do is to take teh above and connect it to my existing network that is connected tot eh internet via dialup modem (through telstra direct). here is teh answer i think i need to build a bridge between these two networks 203.7.226.0/24 and whatever exetel.com.au dishes out as there adsl connectivity network. so is this how i could send files from one 'network' to teh other 'network' i do not want to route traffic back tot eh internet over the adsl side rom teh dialupside diaup traffic will stay on dilaup network. all i'm interested at teh moment is to move files to/from my existing network (and its 5 ish machines) to the adsl connected machine and to move BIG files from the internet into my dialup modem connected network over some sort of 'bridge' so a bridge is teh way to do this or have i gotten this wrong ?? regards/appreciations/thanks jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From brad at bravo.net.au Wed Mar 5 22:59:20 2008 From: brad at bravo.net.au (Brad Rushworth) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:59:20 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> jonathan michaels wrote on 5/03/2008 10:42 PM: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:55:33PM +1100, Trevor Roydhouse wrote: >> jonathan michaels wrote: >> >>> looks like i'm taking a step into teh new world wide internet >>> via the adsl+ mechanisms >> Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's trivial, you need not >> over-complicate it. >> >> PSTN Line --> ADSL router --> Ethernet Switch --> LAN computers >> >> =or= >> >> PSTN Line --> ADSL router & 4 port switch --> LAN computers >> >> Set the default route on appropriate LAN computers to point to the ADSL >> router and you're done. > > yup, thats how i thought the adsl setup would workout, ps i > managed to digup a seimans (sorry about the wordorder) what > ever it was that was sugested hereabouts a while ago. > > my origonal question shrouded by my hrt/super heavy duty > analgesics (the green pills come as 80 mg), life gets fuxxy > about this time of month .. apologies all. > > as best as i can tell what i want to do is to take teh above > and connect it to my existing network that is connected tot eh > internet via dialup modem (through telstra direct). > > here is teh answer i think i need to build a bridge between > these two networks 203.7.226.0/24 and whatever exetel.com.au > dishes out as there adsl connectivity network. > > so is this how i could send files from one 'network' to teh > other 'network' i do not want to route traffic back tot eh > internet over the adsl side rom teh dialupside diaup traffic > will stay on dilaup network. > > all i'm interested at teh moment is to move files to/from my > existing network (and its 5 ish machines) to the adsl connected > machine and to move BIG files from the internet into my dialup > modem connected network over some sort of 'bridge' > > so a bridge is teh way to do this or have i gotten this wrong > ?? > > regards/appreciations/thanks > > jonathan > Jonathan, Although I really struggled to read your post, this is what I think you want to do. LAN contains 5 ish computers on 203.7.226.0/24. Dialup Internet is connected to the LAN. These computers access internet via dialup. ADSL Internet <- FreeBSD Machine -> LAN There will be no connection to the Internet via the ADSL from the LAN. Only the one FreeBSD machine can access the ADSL. In this case, there is no bridge. Bridges are for connecting physical connections (cables) together on the same IP network subnet using two network cards. You simply have two network interfaces on the FreeBSD machine. One is the LAN network, one is the ADSL address. Of course, it is easy to route data from the LAN over to the ADSL using this FreeBSD machine and a NAT. Why you would choose to use dialup for Internet surfing over ADSL is beyond me. Brad From trev at sentry.org Wed Mar 5 23:04:37 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:04:37 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47CE8C55.2060004@sentry.org> jonathan michaels wrote: > all i'm interested at teh moment is to move files to/from my > existing network (and its 5 ish machines) to the adsl connected > machine and to move BIG files from the internet into my dialup > modem connected network over some sort of 'bridge' What I did in the identical situation was simply give the computers with public Telstra IP addresses private IP addresses which my internal DNS resolved. The public DNS servers (Telstra's in this instance) were external. No bridges in sight. -- Trevor Roydhouse BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 6 00:06:43 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:06:43 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au>; from Brad Rushworth on Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 10:59:20PM +1100 References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> Message-ID: <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 10:59:20PM +1100, Brad Rushworth wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote on 5/03/2008 10:42 PM: > > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:55:33PM +1100, Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > >> jonathan michaels wrote: > >> > >>> looks like i'm taking a step into teh new world wide internet > >>> via the adsl+ mechanisms > >> Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's trivial, you need not > >> over-complicate it. > >> > >> PSTN Line --> ADSL router --> Ethernet Switch --> LAN computers > >> > >> =or= > >> > >> PSTN Line --> ADSL router & 4 port switch --> LAN computers > >> > >> Set the default route on appropriate LAN computers to point to the ADSL > >> router and you're done. > > > > yup, thats how i thought the adsl setup would workout, ps i > > managed to digup a seimans (sorry about the wordorder) what > > ever it was that was sugested hereabouts a while ago. > > > > my origonal question shrouded by my hrt/super heavy duty > > analgesics (the green pills come as 80 mg), life gets fuxxy > > about this time of month .. apologies all. > > > > as best as i can tell what i want to do is to take teh above > > and connect it to my existing network that is connected tot eh > > internet via dialup modem (through telstra direct). > > > > here is teh answer i think i need to build a bridge between > > these two networks 203.7.226.0/24 and whatever exetel.com.au > > dishes out as there adsl connectivity network. > > > > so is this how i could send files from one 'network' to teh > > other 'network' i do not want to route traffic back tot eh > > internet over the adsl side rom teh dialupside diaup traffic > > will stay on dilaup network. > > > > all i'm interested at teh moment is to move files to/from my > > existing network (and its 5 ish machines) to the adsl connected > > machine and to move BIG files from the internet into my dialup > > modem connected network over some sort of 'bridge' > > > > so a bridge is teh way to do this or have i gotten this wrong > > ?? > > > > regards/appreciations/thanks > > > > jonathan > > > > Jonathan, > > Although I really struggled to read your post, this is what I think you > want to do. > > LAN contains 5 ish computers on 203.7.226.0/24. > > Dialup Internet is connected to the LAN. These computers access internet > via dialup. > > ADSL Internet <- FreeBSD Machine -> LAN > > There will be no connection to the Internet via the ADSL from the LAN. > Only the one FreeBSD machine can access the ADSL. > > In this case, there is no bridge. Bridges are for connecting physical > connections (cables) together on the same IP network subnet using two > network cards. > > You simply have two network interfaces on the FreeBSD machine. One is > the LAN network, one is the ADSL address. > > Of course, it is easy to route data from the LAN over to the ADSL using > this FreeBSD machine and a NAT. Why you would choose to use dialup for > Internet surfing over ADSL is beyond me. i'm leaving the above to have some context latter .. i have some connercial responsibilities that are carried out over teh dialup netwrok because that is where my /24 is advertised and routed out tot eh world via teh telstradirect account that has been running some 13 years to date, i get my 254 address space for 20/month so teh connection is a bot slow its about delivering mail and teh ocassional browsing it is about teh best value for money (low volume) commecial grade account in australia bar none ! i cannot get a commercial account, i.e to run internet servers on the hosted machines. read your personal account contrract and find out how many 'servers' you can run before they take away you account and send in teh lawyers to recover costs .. telstra/optus have done that in the recent past. i'm setting up an adsl link to browse for my own needs, nothing to do with my commercial stuff. i thought it would be nice to download the freebsd.iso images on teh adsl and then to move those images over to teh 'network' where all teh hardware is connected to make cd's do tape based storage .. all teh work stuff. teh adsl modem is going to have a computer like a intel p6 or a 800 mhz pIII as my desktop. hope this sheds some light, brad, as regards this madness .. grin. kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From marty at supine.com Thu Mar 6 09:05:02 2008 From: marty at supine.com (Martin Barry) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:05:02 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305222126.56611@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080305222126.56611@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080305220501.GF19315@supine.com> $quoted_author = "jonathan michaels" ; > > even so i don't think that rbl's are worth much beyond 'feel > good' esentially . .anyway some are better than others. i use zen.spamhaus.org and dnsbl.njabl.org at SMTP session time. i.e. this refuses connections from IPs on those RBLs. other rbls are still useful but i don't trust them enough to use in this regard so... > > Currently, one of the best anti-spam measures is greylisting. This > > will get rid of most of the low-hanging fruit and saves you having to > > accept the spam. Some sort of Bayesian filter should sop up most of > > what is left. > > i have been doing some reading on Bayesian filtering of late > and would like to do it that way, but havent found much reading > material on this topic in teh freebsd/sendmail world, so i am > thinking perhaps postfix might be a better way forward ??? use spamassassin. it bundles in a whole bunch of tests (including bayes and rbl checks), adding scores for each one and then giving the email itself a total score. it means that no single test can push an email to be flagged as spam, so less reliable tests can be utilised. e.g. from an email in my spam folder at work... X-Spam-Report: BAYES_99=3.5, DOS_OE_TO_MX=2.75, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.001, FH_HOST_EQ_VERIZON_P=0.001, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1 X-Spam-Score: 9.7 (+++++++++) http://spamassassin.apache.org cheers marty -- with usenet gone, we just don't teach our kids entertainment-level hyperbole any more. --Paul Vixie http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2006-01/msg00593.html From brad at bravo.net.au Thu Mar 6 09:16:17 2008 From: brad at bravo.net.au (Brad Rushworth) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:16:17 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47CF1BB1.7090400@bravo.net.au> jonathan michaels wrote on 6/03/2008 12:06 AM: > > i have some connercial responsibilities that are carried out > over teh dialup netwrok because that is where my /24 is > advertised and routed out tot eh world via teh telstradirect > account that has been running some 13 years to date, i get my > 254 address space for 20/month so teh connection is a bot slow > its about delivering mail and teh ocassional browsing it is > about teh best value for money (low volume) commecial grade > account in australia bar none ! i cannot get a commercial > account, i.e to run internet servers on the hosted machines. > read your personal account contrract and find out how many > 'servers' you can run before they take away you account and > send in teh lawyers to recover costs .. telstra/optus have done > that in the recent past. > > i'm setting up an adsl link to browse for my own needs, nothing > to do with my commercial stuff. i thought it would be nice to > download the freebsd.iso images on teh adsl and then to move > those images over to teh 'network' where all teh hardware is > connected to make cd's do tape based storage .. all teh work > stuff. teh adsl modem is going to have a computer like a intel > p6 or a 800 mhz pIII as my desktop. > > hope this sheds some light, brad, as regards this madness .. grin. > > kind regards > > jonathan > Jonathan, Fair enough, sorry about the abrupt reply. I notice now that your LAN IP addresses are public addresses. Sounds like you have a few options. 1) Do what Trevor said and give each of your machines two IP addresses, one internal (eg 192.168.0.0/24) and one external (eg 203.7.226.0/24). In this case, all Internet would be via the dialup except the FreeBSD machine that could choose either (you would assign a routing preference). All machines can talk to each other. 2) Just give the ADSL machine an internal address within your 203.7.226.0/24 network. Then ADSL machine can choose to access the Internet via either interface. LAN uses dialup. All machines can communicate. 3) As per (3) but LAN can route through ADSL machine to Internet too. You can do this as a gateway or a NAT. Better check with your ADSL provider if you are allowed to route traffic through using public internal addresses (for the gateway option). NAT will be fine. I hope this helps. Perhaps I've gone down the wrong path. Not getting enough sleep with our new baby. Brad From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 6 11:10:19 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:10:19 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] trapping spam from headers In-Reply-To: <20080305220501.GF19315@supine.com>; from Martin Barry on Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:05:02AM +1100 References: <20080305002655.57390@caamora.com.au> <20080305185301.09942@caamora.com.au> <508F7551-1E71-4465-B638-51690C5D2EE6@bigpond.net.au> <20080305093410.GX68971@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080305222126.56611@caamora.com.au> <20080305220501.GF19315@supine.com> Message-ID: <20080306111018.46332@caamora.com.au> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:05:02AM +1100, Martin Barry wrote: > $quoted_author = "jonathan michaels" ; > > > > even so i don't think that rbl's are worth much beyond 'feel > > good' esentially . .anyway > > some are better than others. > > i use zen.spamhaus.org and dnsbl.njabl.org at SMTP session time. i.e. this > refuses connections from IPs on those RBLs. spamhaus have allways been polite and curtious, they'd be about the only one i would concider.. thanks for teh stuff (offlist too) about this issue, once i get the mechanisms in place to stip it at teh frontdoor (to me this is teh primary functionality, cleaning up whats left becomes an allmost trivial event .. as far as i can see, of more concern would be teh virii not that 'bsd has much of a problem with that at this point in time .. being a microsoft clean shop (and home, ok two relic that might get up on some sort of 'wine' dos emulator .. hopes to really clean up spelling issues for you guys, me too) i d thought of using clamd to take care of teh virus stuff but its new licencing/owners seem to be a cause concern of late ?? > other rbls are still useful but i don't trust them enough to use in this > regard so... > > > > > Currently, one of the best anti-spam measures is greylisting. This > > > will get rid of most of the low-hanging fruit and saves you having to > > > accept the spam. Some sort of Bayesian filter should sop up most of > > > what is left. > > > > i have been doing some reading on Bayesian filtering of late > > and would like to do it that way, but havent found much reading > > material on this topic in teh freebsd/sendmail world, so i am > > thinking perhaps postfix might be a better way forward ??? > > use spamassassin. it bundles in a whole bunch of tests (including bayes and > rbl checks), adding scores for each one and then giving the email itself a > total score. it means that no single test can push an email to be flagged as > spam, so less reliable tests can be utilised. this is the main reason i've been looking to 'stop' it from getting here and why i like teh idea of slowing down teh handshake idea so much. ok it is possible to catch some legitimate ms windows mailserver trying to send real mail but the error message returned will flag teh senders to use some other method of contact. i don't see this as being a one stop shop solution so to speak, i see it as a defence in a bredth of amaments arrayed at strategic locations around teh periphery of teh network. .. oops now where did taht come from, thinking out loud .. wonders if spamassassin will work in mail server with p6-200 cpu and 64 mb addressable dram space ?? > e.g. > from an email in my spam folder at work... > X-Spam-Report: BAYES_99=3.5, DOS_OE_TO_MX=2.75, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.001, > FH_HOST_EQ_VERIZON_P=0.001, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, > RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1 > X-Spam-Score: 9.7 (+++++++++) > > http://spamassassin.apache.org noted, appreciated, diarised and much thanks, marty. ps like teh sign-off .. grin. > -- > with usenet gone, we just don't teach our kids entertainment-level hyperbole > any more. --Paul Vixie most kind regards/gracious appreciations jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 6 14:41:43 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:41:43 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <47CF1BB1.7090400@bravo.net.au>; from Brad Rushworth on Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:16:17AM +1100 References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> <47CF1BB1.7090400@bravo.net.au> Message-ID: <20080306144143.39296@caamora.com.au> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 09:16:17AM +1100, Brad Rushworth wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote on 6/03/2008 12:06 AM: > > > > i have some connercial responsibilities that are carried out trimmed for brevity > > hope this sheds some light, brad, as regards this madness .. grin. > Fair enough, sorry about the abrupt reply. I notice now that your LAN IP > addresses are public addresses. thats not a problem .. most people do not have there own /24, actually i once knew a chappie (back when telstra was telecom australia, or even pmg and a real service oriented organisation ... thanks johnnie your legacy will be felt for decades, even, if telstra will ever recover) he was at teh right place at teh right time and walked away with a class b address block, now that would be one mean spare bedroom network machine room > Sounds like you have a few options. > > 1) Do what Trevor said and give each of your machines two IP addresses, trimmed for brevity .. > I hope this helps. Perhaps I've gone down the wrong path. Not getting > enough sleep with our new baby. i can relate tot eh baby/no sleep routine, had same problem some teb years ago, only difference now is teh 5 yo is now 15 and carrying the same manner i'm really frighted for teh children of this generation they won't know who they are, where they are, or what tehy are supposed to be .. this world is getting screwier and screwier. thank much appreciations most kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From rbyrnes at mailshack.com Thu Mar 6 20:28:54 2008 From: rbyrnes at mailshack.com (Rob B) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:28:54 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080306144143.39296@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> <47CF1BB1.7090400@bravo.net.au> <20080306144143.39296@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080306092518.5E4F6C8411@karen.lavabit.com> At 02:41 PM 6/03/2008, jonathan michaels wrote: >actually i once knew a chappie (back when telstra was telecom >australia, or even pmg and a real service oriented organisation >... thanks johnnie your legacy will be felt for decades, even, if >telstra will ever recover) he was at teh right place at teh >right time and walked away with a class b address block, now >that would be one mean spare bedroom network machine room .. and hopefully since then he has been a good netizen and returned it to APNIC :) cheers, Rob ... who is up to his neck in APNIC application details @ work From trev at sentry.org Thu Mar 6 21:53:23 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:53:23 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47CFCD23.5020202@sentry.org> jonathan michaels wrote: > i cannot get a commercial > account, i.e to run internet servers on the hosted machines. > read your personal account contract and find out how many > 'servers' you can run before they take away your account and > send in the lawyers to recover costs .. While some ISPs do not allow residential customers to run servers, all those I've looked at including Exetel (current ISP), Netcall(current ISP), aaNet, iiNet (past ISP), Internode do allow this, so I'm not sure what you're alluding to above as it's quite feasible without involving any lawyers. And yes, obviously, I read the full terms and conditions beforehand to establish this and, being of a paranoid bent, I also confirmed it with my two current ISPs. I ditched my $20/mth Telstra permanant dialup connection in November 2005 which, along with the phone line and call costs, was enough to fund a superior ADSL connection. You might therefore like to reconsider the future of your Telstra dialup connection unless you really need all those "free", Telstra-supplied public IP addresses (extremely unlikely). -- Trevor Roydhouse BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 6 23:05:21 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:05:21 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] new network technique, combining a /32 adsl address with a routable /24 In-Reply-To: <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> References: <20080305193116.53317@caamora.com.au> <47CE6005.8020908@sentry.org> <20080305224212.46793@caamora.com.au> <47CE8B18.4020507@bravo.net.au> <20080306000643.60398@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <421E3C48-2677-4F4A-9090-D8AC3CBE8488@optusnet.com.au> On 06/03/2008, at 12:06 AM, jonathan michaels wrote: > i'm setting up an adsl link to browse for my own needs, nothing > to do with my commercial stuff. i thought it would be nice to > download the freebsd.iso images on teh adsl and then to move > those images over to teh 'network' where all teh hardware is > connected to make cd's do tape based storage .. all teh work > stuff. teh adsl modem is going to have a computer like a intel > p6 or a 800 mhz pIII as my desktop. What I would do here is have two network cards in the desktop, one connected to the ADSL line and the other to the local network. Then depending how I was feeling do one of: -Give the local connection one of the /24 addresses but have the default route set to the ADSL interface. (But personally I think that's a bad idea and lazy). -Give the local connection a non-routable address (lets call it 10.0.0.2), then do either: ----Also give the /24s gateway/router an address on the non-routable network (say 10.0.0.1), set a static route on the desktop saying to access /24 use 10.0.0.1. Then it should start working assuming 1) the gateway doesn't have firewall rules that block traffic from 10.0.0.0 and 2) all the machines on the /24 use the gateway as their default route. (would add a little extra load to the gateway) ----Alternatively give every machine on the network a 2nd address in the 10.0.0.0 range. You could also combine a split horizon dns server with the above, or just a hosts file, so you don't have to remember the ips.. I'v never actually HAD an entire /24, so generally in my experience only the router gets the REAL ips and the internal networks are, well internal =p From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Fri Mar 7 18:28:54 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:28:54 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. Message-ID: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> Fraternal greetings. I've just installed free bsd onto a spare PC. Prob. 1 is I cant get the screen resoloution above 640 x 480 Prob 2 I dont know how to configure the network to connect to the "net". M. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 7 23:40:14 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:40:14 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 07/03/2008, at 6:28 PM, munchausen wrote: > Fraternal greetings. I've just installed free bsd onto a spare PC. > Prob. 1 is I cant get the screen resoloution above 640 x 480 What video card are you using? I assume this in in X11? Have you done any configuration of X? If so what? > Prob 2 I dont know how to configure the network to connect to the > "net". What sort of internet connection do you use? How is your computer attached to it? Please provide details of what you have tried and what sort of set up you have, otherwise there isn't a lot we can do to help other than make wild gusses! And I'm about to make a wild guess for each problem: 1) try as root: Xorg -configure 2) as root: dhclient fxp0 (replace fxp0 with your actual network device name, running ifconfig without any options will show you a list of all network interfaces, ed and fxp are rather comon) From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Sat Mar 8 07:38:16 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:38:16 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <47D1A7B8.9070501@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 07/03/2008, at 6:28 PM, munchausen wrote: > >> Fraternal greetings. I've just installed free bsd onto a spare PC. >> Prob. 1 is I cant get the screen resoloution above 640 x 480 > > What video card are you using? > > I assume this in in X11? Have you done any configuration of X? If so > what? > > >> Prob 2 I dont know how to configure the network to connect to the >> "net". > > What sort of internet connection do you use? How is your computer > attached to it? > > Please provide details of what you have tried and what sort of set up > you have, otherwise there isn't a lot we can do to help other than > make wild gusses! > > And I'm about to make a wild guess for each problem: > > 1) try as root: Xorg -configure > > 2) as root: dhclient fxp0 > > (replace fxp0 with your actual network device name, running ifconfig > without any options will show you a list of all network interfaces, ed > and fxp are rather comon) > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > Thanks 4 the reply. I'm up in sunny Townsville. I had a spare PC sitting idle so bought 2 CD's of free BSD. Now, the card is a Nvidia GeoForce FX5200. it took 4 or 5 goes at installing so I've probably stuffed something up. I'm not very bright I'm afraid :-( I've got broadband "net" with an ethernet card I'll try again 2 day and see if I make any progress. Tahnkx, M. From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 8 16:47:15 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:47:15 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> Baron, when the boots does you get a black screen with the words login: ? If you do then log in a type startx . munchausen wrote: > Fraternal greetings. I've just installed free bsd onto a spare PC. > Prob. 1 is I cant get the screen resoloution above 640 x 480 > Prob 2 I dont know how to configure the network to connect to the "net". > M. > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Sat Mar 8 17:25:52 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: 08 Mar 2008 16:25:52 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 15:47, Glenn Mawby wrote: > Baron, > when the boots does you get a black screen with the words login: ? > If you do then log in a type startx . I formatted the disk and will try and re install. M. > > munchausen wrote: > > Fraternal greetings. I've just installed free bsd onto a spare PC. > > Prob. 1 is I cant get the screen resoloution above 640 x 480 > > Prob 2 I dont know how to configure the network to connect to the "net". > > M. > > _______________________________________________ > > BUGS mailing list > > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 8 21:48:40 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:48:40 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 08/03/2008, at 5:25 PM, munchausen wrote: > On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 15:47, Glenn Mawby wrote: >> Baron, >> when the boots does you get a black screen with the words login: ? >> If you do then log in a type startx . > > I formatted the disk and will try and re install. > M. >> If you aren't sure what to install, just pick the "install everything" option (assuming you have a drive larger than 2gb). When it comes to disk slices etc, it's quite fine to just use the auto option and accept that defaults too. From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Sun Mar 9 09:15:03 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:15:03 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 08/03/2008, at 5:25 PM, munchausen wrote: > >> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 15:47, Glenn Mawby wrote: >>> Baron, >>> when the boots does you get a black screen with the words login: ? >>> If you do then log in a type startx . >> I formatted the disk and will try and re install. >> M. > > If you aren't sure what to install, just pick the "install everything" > option (assuming you have a drive larger than 2gb). When it comes to > disk slices etc, it's quite fine to just use the auto option and > accept that defaults too. > ______ Yes, i was doing that but at no stage during the installation was I asked about video card or monitor. I also am unsure about setting up the network connection. it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name server, ipv4 address and netmask" :-( M. _________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > From edwin at mavetju.org Sun Mar 9 09:49:30 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:49:30 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 08:15:03AM +1000, munchausen wrote: > Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > > On 08/03/2008, at 5:25 PM, munchausen wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 15:47, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >>> Baron, > >>> when the boots does you get a black screen with the words login: ? > >>> If you do then log in a type startx . > >> I formatted the disk and will try and re install. > >> M. > > > > If you aren't sure what to install, just pick the "install everything" > > option (assuming you have a drive larger than 2gb). When it comes to > > disk slices etc, it's quite fine to just use the auto option and > > accept that defaults too. > > ______ > Yes, i was doing that but at no stage during the installation was I > asked > about video card or monitor. I also am unsure about setting up the > network > connection. it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name server, > ipv4 address and netmask" :-( That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network configuration"... Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 9 10:07:01 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:07:01 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> On 09/03/2008, at 9:49 AM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 08:15:03AM +1000, munchausen wrote: >> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >>> On 08/03/2008, at 5:25 PM, munchausen wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 15:47, Glenn Mawby wrote: >>>>> Baron, >>>>> when the boots does you get a black screen with the words >>>>> login: ? >>>>> If you do then log in a type startx . >>>> I formatted the disk and will try and re install. >>>> M. >>> >>> If you aren't sure what to install, just pick the "install >>> everything" >>> option (assuming you have a drive larger than 2gb). When it comes to >>> disk slices etc, it's quite fine to just use the auto option and >>> accept that defaults too. >>> ______ >> Yes, i was doing that but at no stage during the installation >> was I >> asked >> about video card or monitor. I also am unsure about setting up >> the >> network >> connection. it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name >> server, >> ipv4 address and netmask" :-( > > That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network > configuration"... Did you choose no to that option? Because it's quite likely selecting yes would have filled all those values for you.. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sun Mar 9 10:21:44 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:21:44 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> On 09/03/2008, at 10:07 AM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >>> it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name >>> server, >>> ipv4 address and netmask" :-( >> >> That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network >> configuration"... > > Did you choose no to that option? Because it's quite likely selecting > yes would have filled all those values for you.. I should mention here, that you can enter sysinstall at any time after installing the system by typing 'sysinstall' at your shell prompt. So you can go back and change any of these things.. All it is actually doing is altering /etc/rc.conf for the most part, which you can do by hand, though it sounds as if you may find using sysinstall easier.. I don't recall if sysinstall configures x11 or gives you the option to, but in a lot of cases running 'Xorg -configure' as root is sufficient, as it will automatically detect your video card and monitor.. Have you ever used X windows? Any experience with linux or another bsd? Or is this the first time you have tried anything like this? From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Sun Mar 9 11:47:02 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:47:02 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47D33386.3060208@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 09/03/2008, at 10:07 AM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >>>> it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name >>>> server, >>>> ipv4 address and netmask" :-( >>> That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network >>> configuration"... >> Did you choose no to that option? Because it's quite likely selecting >> yes would have filled all those values for you.. > > I should mention here, that you can enter sysinstall at any time after > installing the system by typing 'sysinstall' at your shell prompt. So > you can go back and change any of these things.. > > All it is actually doing is altering /etc/rc.conf for the most part, > which you can do by hand, though it sounds as if you may find using > sysinstall easier.. > > I don't recall if sysinstall configures x11 or gives you the option > to, but in a lot of cases running 'Xorg -configure' as root is > sufficient, as it will automatically detect your video card and > monitor.. > > Have you ever used X windows? Any experience with linux or another > bsd? Or is this the first time you have tried anything like this? > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > Thankx 4 the reply. I've been flirting (?) with Linux for a few years. Red Hat, then Fedora. I've a spare PC sitting beside me and every now N then I put Linux on it. limiting factor is it only has a CD drive, not a DVD. I thought I'd give BSD a go. M. From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Tue Mar 11 13:50:39 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:50:39 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47D5F37F.7080402@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 09/03/2008, at 10:07 AM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >>>> it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name >>>> server, >>>> ipv4 address and netmask" :-( >>> That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network >>> configuration"... >> Did you choose no to that option? Because it's quite likely selecting >> yes would have filled all those values for you.. > > I should mention here, that you can enter sysinstall at any time after > installing the system by typing 'sysinstall' at your shell prompt. So > you can go back and change any of these things.. > > All it is actually doing is altering /etc/rc.conf for the most part, > which you can do by hand, though it sounds as if you may find using > sysinstall easier.. > > I don't recall if sysinstall configures x11 or gives you the option > to, but in a lot of cases running 'Xorg -configure' as root is > sufficient, as it will automatically detect your video card and > monitor.. > > Have you ever used X windows? Any experience with linux or another > bsd? Or is this the first time you have tried anything like this? > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > OK, I've got the "net" up N running but,try as I may i cant improve the screen res. above 640 X 480 :-( M. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 11 14:06:16 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:06:16 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D5F37F.7080402@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D5F37F.7080402@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <391B62AF-1486-4F0E-A81B-1E9516C6F4BD@optusnet.com.au> On 11/03/2008, at 1:50 PM, munchausen wrote: > OK, I've got the "net" up N running but,try as I may i cant improve > the screen res. above 640 X 480 :-( Can you please post the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? (or the configuration file you are using). From callumgibson at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 11 14:35:17 2008 From: callumgibson at optusnet.com.au (Callum Gibson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:35:17 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <391B62AF-1486-4F0E-A81B-1E9516C6F4BD@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D5F37F.7080402@internode.on.net> <391B62AF-1486-4F0E-A81B-1E9516C6F4BD@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20080311033517.GA51806@omma.gibson.athome> On 11Mar08 14:06, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: }> OK, I've got the "net" up N running but,try as I may i cant improve }> the screen res. above 640 X 480 :-( } }Can you please post the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? (or }the configuration file you are using). Or possibly /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be illuminating. It's quite large - not sure if it might be better to pastebin it. C -- Callum Gibson @ home http://members.optusnet.com.au/callumgibson/ From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Tue Mar 11 22:20:17 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:20:17 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 09/03/2008, at 10:07 AM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >>>> it was asking about "host,domain, ipv4 gateway,name >>>> server, >>>> ipv4 address and netmask" :-( >>> That was after the "Do you want to use DHCP for network >>> configuration"... >> Did you choose no to that option? Because it's quite likely selecting >> yes would have filled all those values for you.. > > I should mention here, that you can enter sysinstall at any time after > installing the system by typing 'sysinstall' at your shell prompt. So > you can go back and change any of these things.. > > All it is actually doing is altering /etc/rc.conf for the most part, > which you can do by hand, though it sounds as if you may find using > sysinstall easier.. > > I don't recall if sysinstall configures x11 or gives you the option > to, but in a lot of cases running 'Xorg -configure' as root is > sufficient, as it will automatically detect your video card and > monitor.. > > Have you ever used X windows? Any experience with linux or another > bsd? Or is this the first time you have tried anything like this? > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > it seems 2 have been a hardware prob. I changed video cards and immediately the screen res. improved from 640 x 480 to 856 x 480. However it doesnt seem 2 recognise the type of card or monitor I'm using :-( M. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 12 09:35:00 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:35:00 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 11/03/2008, at 10:20 PM, munchausen wrote: > it seems 2 have been a hardware prob. I changed video cards and > immediately the screen res. > improved from 640 x 480 to 856 x 480. However it doesnt seem 2 > recognise the type of card > or monitor I'm using :-( It wouldn't be a hardware issue, but a driver you are using with that hardware issue.. 1) Have you done 'Xorg -configure' as root? 2) Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files so we can see what is configured and what is happening.. Please also specify what video card you have currently got installed and the sort of monitor connected to it, if it's a relatively new monitor then the horez/vert frequencies can be automatically detected, but if it is not then setting these correctly is important in getting higher resolutions. Cheers, Jerahmy. From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Wed Mar 12 19:36:04 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:04 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <47D795F4.8060009@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 11/03/2008, at 10:20 PM, munchausen wrote: > >> it seems 2 have been a hardware prob. I changed video cards and >> immediately the screen res. >> improved from 640 x 480 to 856 x 480. However it doesnt seem 2 >> recognise the type of card >> or monitor I'm using :-( > > It wouldn't be a hardware issue, but a driver you are using with that > hardware issue.. > > 1) Have you done 'Xorg -configure' as root? > > 2) Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files > so we can see what is configured and what is happening.. > > Please also specify what video card you have currently got installed > and the sort of monitor connected to it, if it's a relatively new > monitor then the horez/vert frequencies can be automatically detected, > but if it is not then setting these correctly is important in getting > higher resolutions. > > Cheers, > Jerahmy. > _______ it got wurse 2 day :-( M. ________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Wed Mar 12 20:51:36 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:51:36 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D795F4.8060009@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> <47D795F4.8060009@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <47D7A7A8.3030600@internode.on.net> munchausen wrote: > Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >> On 11/03/2008, at 10:20 PM, munchausen wrote: >> >>> it seems 2 have been a hardware prob. I changed video cards and >>> immediately the screen res. >>> improved from 640 x 480 to 856 x 480. However it doesnt seem 2 >>> recognise the type of card >>> or monitor I'm using :-( >> It wouldn't be a hardware issue, but a driver you are using with that >> hardware issue.. >> >> 1) Have you done 'Xorg -configure' as root? >> >> 2) Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files >> so we can see what is configured and what is happening.. >> >> Please also specify what video card you have currently got installed >> and the sort of monitor connected to it, if it's a relatively new >> monitor then the horez/vert frequencies can be automatically detected, >> but if it is not then setting these correctly is important in getting >> higher resolutions. >> >> Cheers, >> Jerahmy. >> _______ > it got wurse 2 day :-( > M. > The story so far. Mild mannered Munchausen a middle aged, overweight batchelor with bad breath was told that using BSD on his PC would make him attractive to young women. To this end he obtained two BSD Cd's and several BSD sickers. he plastered his Volvo with the stickers and began cruising the mean streets. However all the gurls he met for some reason laughed at him :-( So he,once again attempted to actually the system onto his PC. Watch this space :-) M. > ________________________________________ >> BUGS mailing list >> BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org >> http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs >> >> > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > From jlm at caamora.com.au Wed Mar 12 22:10:04 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:10:04 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] making photos and toor access In-Reply-To: <20080214203317.I1248@freebsd.connect-a.com.au>; from Rob Hurle on Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:13:38PM +1100 References: <20080214190350.61657@caamora.com.au> <20080214203317.I1248@freebsd.connect-a.com.au> Message-ID: <20080312221004.30789@caamora.com.au> rob, thanks specifically for this post it pointed me in i think a sensible direction .. i have a small collection of cameras, all 35 mm, film, i prefer b/w its easier to work, esp with my convoluted circumstances, colour, acuity and much brain confusion, it produced a right mess at times. the idea about film to cd/dvd format is i think about the best, as i no longer am able/ probably not capable of running a small print shop, like int eh old days with a meopta enlarger ,, it was really nice when i was able to move up to 110 format, had a simple mamiya tlr )twin lens reflex( besides they no longer make kodachrome 25 asa that was a reallllly good media, got teh pigments right really nice film to work with .. even made realllly good b/w prints predictable too, unlike some b/w film stock (ilford springs to mind), some times trx400 would be groggy abut not when pushed to 1600 nice results. are these sorts of things possible with dslr "film" i take it tehat teh ccd element is teh equivalent of teh film stock and using stuff like the gimp, or, photoshop is teh "processing" and or the printing stage ?? i see no value in printing as good colour canon lazers are still frightfully expensive ($10K's) i havent seen a soho type of colour printer that produces good quiltay prints that would last beyond a couple of years in teh sun before teh bleaching would negate any/most of teh original colour balance, composition. i'm not a ludite, just have an idea of what i like and most of that is not reproducable on teh "toy" stuff sold today and teh "good" is, well when the lotto cheque clears i'll build a decent 'printshop' right after i get my brain fixed and teh corneas repaired .. sort off On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:13:38PM +1100, Rob Hurle wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > > i've been a keen photographer all my life, i am now looking to move to the > > digital world, from my old analogue pentax and mamiya slrs with range of lens, > > std format and some med telephotos for teh spotmatic and teh (really nice) > > mamiya z. if it means anything thats what i am trying to reproduce, because of > > my neurological disfunction i have difficulties with most of teh "small" > > digital cameras and my hands have learned how to function in the 35mm handheld > > slr realm. > > I've also messed about with photography for quite a while - very happy with > Olympus SLRs, Pentax SLR, Mamiya C330, etc. A while back I moved to digital for > some archival work. Digital photography is changing so quickly that anything > that anyone says now will be out of date tomorrow. > > I tend to think that sticking to one brand/system is best with digital > because, if you swap horses you may need to change lenses, cards, software, etc, > etc, and that can be expensive. IMHO Nikon, Olympus, Canon should be studied. > Fuji Finepix has proven a problem for us. Right now I use a Nikon Coolpix P5100 > for "point and shoot", and it's a great camera - on "auto" the pics are quick, > excellent quality, battery lasts ages, etc. For more careful and critical work > I use a Nikon D80 SLR, which gives a superior picture but there's much more nikon d200 is coming into my orbit, well my birthdays 'sugar day' idea of affordible birthday presents. i'm wondering if there is much real differnece (to justify) the big difference between teh d80 and d200 > mucking about and the camera is bigger, heavier, etc. Both seem to give best i like big bulky realllly big cameras, big 'toy' as i call teh new telephones off today .. given teh neurological degrdation becvayse of teh damage i started with and now exhasabated by teh drugs that are supposed to 'fix' me .. am i the only one who can see teh irony in that one ?? at any rate my bigish clumsy fingerts (can't ya'll tell from my typing and this is on a decetn ibm model m keyboard) big works fro me. thats why i liked teh film to cdrom option if i can find one local (mascot'ish). anything smaller than my (pentax) spotmatic (42 mm screw in lens mount, matti) > pics on "auto" for some reason. I upgraded the "point and shoot" from an > Olympus mu because my eyes are cactus and I need a viewfinder - very few come > with a viewfinder these days. > > That's only the start of the story. The cameras have amazing picture > processing capability inside them and, if you want total control, you need to go > for something that just saves you the bits for later processing (and a pretty > smart head to know what you're going to do with the pics). Nikon has this > option, but then you run into another problem. The formats all seem to be > proprietary and unpublished. So Nikon "raw" format needs Nikon software (for M$ > only would you believe!) Of course, version "n" is not compatible with version > "n-1" but, not to worry, $$$ will fix this. I'm not a professional photographer neither am i, but i like to do teh job right using decetn equipment (not saying need expensive, name brand stuff) i knew people who had nikon stuff and could'nt even focus .. nikon was all that was important .. some people. > so I just go with the flow and accept the JPEG format (lossy compression but, > what the hell) so that I can process using The Gimp. Cards are another problem. > They are getting faster and faster with more and more bits. The latest one I > bought was a SanDisk SD (Secure Digital) 4GB card, but no card reader I owned > could handle it. Fortunately it came with a card<->USB reader so I didn't need > my card readers. If you buy generation "n" then you can be pretty sure that > generation "n+1" will use an incompatible card. Such is life. was this teh nikon(s) or teh canon (the card reader thingie) ? > When I started photography an old guy who taught me pointed out that the > photograph has to be made using light, and that all the light has to go through > that bit of glass in the front. The bigger and more accurate the lens was, the > better the picture - that's where to spend the money. 4MB, 5MB, 10MB, 12MB or > whatever the camera advertises is rather negated if the lens is not up to it. i've gto a couple of f1.4 for my 35 mm cameras not fast todays but for a 70's spotmatic that was fast reallly fast still makes a good showing, pity about teh depth of field at f1.4 still its do able with a bit of a push on k'25 or trix on a gallop, grin. > Just some random thoughts. perhaps a few more perhaps a little less random concerning teh d80 or one of teh d200's types, please .. much kind regards/appreciations jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Thu Mar 13 09:08:29 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:08:29 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 11/03/2008, at 10:20 PM, munchausen wrote: > >> it seems 2 have been a hardware prob. I changed video cards and >> immediately the screen res. >> improved from 640 x 480 to 856 x 480. However it doesnt seem 2 >> recognise the type of card >> or monitor I'm using :-( > > It wouldn't be a hardware issue, but a driver you are using with that > hardware issue.. > > 1) Have you done 'Xorg -configure' as root? > > 2) Please post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log files > so we can see what is configured and what is happening.. > > Please also specify what video card you have currently got installed > and the sort of monitor connected to it, if it's a relatively new > monitor then the horez/vert frequencies can be automatically detected, > but if it is not then setting these correctly is important in getting > higher resolutions. > > Cheers, > Jerahmy. > _____ The story so far :-( I managed 2 get Gnome up N running at 640 x 480. I then switched from the on board video to a Nvidia at which point the screen jumped up to 856 x 480. I should have quit while ahead, BUT at this point in time the parcel man knocked on my door and delivered a MB I bought on EBay so I installed that. Since then I have never been able to get Gnome running at all. The new MB (ASrock) has on board video which,of course I tried 2 use. It also came with a fancy Gigabyte ATI 9600 ATI card which doesnt work either. I tried a spare Cirrus Logic card but no luck with that. the Monitor is a Sony triniton Multiscan G420. I tried xorgcfg -textmode which only shows an unlisted card and invites me to tell it what freq etc. the monitor is capable of. I'll have another go 2 day after my morning cruise in my Volvo with the Free BSD stickers on :-) M. __________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 10:20:51 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:20:51 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D22863.9080108@yahoo.com.au> <1204957552.2810.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <80F0E1C7-BB85-46D1-B05A-AF4A415D13B8@optusnet.com.au> On 13/03/2008, at 9:08 AM, munchausen wrote: > The story so far :-( I managed 2 get Gnome up N running at 640 x > 480. > I then switched from the on board video to a Nvidia at which point > the screen jumped up to 856 x 480. I should have quit while ahead, > BUT at this point in time the parcel man knocked on my door and > delivered > a MB I bought on EBay so I installed that. Since then I have never > been able to > get Gnome running at all. The new MB (ASrock) has on board video > which,of > course I tried 2 use. It also came with a fancy Gigabyte ATI 9600 ATI > card which doesnt > work either. I tried a spare Cirrus Logic card but no luck with that. > the Monitor > is a Sony triniton Multiscan G420. I tried xorgcfg -textmode which > only shows an unlisted card > and invites me to tell it what freq etc. the monitor is capable of. > I'll have another go 2 day > after my morning cruise in my Volvo with the Free BSD stickers on :-) > M. I'm not entirely sure why you keep changing the hardware.. Any of those cards work fine with X.. If you just set your video driver to 'vesa' and don't set any monitor frequencies (they will be determined via DDC). You also need to actually set a mode with the resolution you want, when in X you can switch between configured modes by pressing Ctrl+Alt +KeyPad Plus and Minus, it's quite likely your configuration already has higher modes, you just need to switch to them? It's very difficult to tell you anything more without seeing your config file.. From leonleon77 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 12:04:36 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:04:36 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <80F0E1C7-BB85-46D1-B05A-AF4A415D13B8@optusnet.com.au> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> <80F0E1C7-BB85-46D1-B05A-AF4A415D13B8@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803121804t4f33320djae4d098001993585@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > > On 13/03/2008, at 9:08 AM, munchausen wrote: > > > get Gnome running at all. The new MB (ASrock) has on board video > > which,of > > course I tried 2 use. It also came with a fancy Gigabyte ATI 9600 ATI > > card which doesnt > > work either. I tried a spare Cirrus Logic card but no luck with that. > > It's very difficult to tell you anything more without seeing your > config file.. I'll second that - just send the config and log files (as per previous request in this thread) From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 16:19:00 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:19:00 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails Message-ID: Hi gang, All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to another address of mine (I will call that B).. Mail from my ISP to A: Success. Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. Mail from server to B: Success. There is nothing in mailq and I'v not received any undeliverable or bounced mail messages.. Any ideas on what might be happening? I'm confused.. From leonleon77 at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 16:55:50 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:55:50 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26d2cb010803122255m7ec7a764q7ba5061147b1ba4d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Hi gang, > > All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. > I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it > wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed > to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account > A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to > another address of mine (I will call that B).. > > Mail from my ISP to A: Success. > Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. > Mail from server to B: Success. how A and B differ? target recipient server is the same? what are post @ part of the address? > There is nothing in mailq and I'v not received any undeliverable or > bounced mail messages.. > > Any ideas on what might be happening? I'm confused.. > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 13 17:14:30 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:14:30 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:19:00PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Hi gang, > > All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. > I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it > wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed > to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account > A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to > another address of mine (I will call that B).. > > Mail from my ISP to A: Success. > Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. > Mail from server to B: Success. Server is your machine? Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 17:21:01 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:21:01 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <26d2cb010803122255m7ec7a764q7ba5061147b1ba4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <26d2cb010803122255m7ec7a764q7ba5061147b1ba4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 13/03/2008, at 4:55 PM, leon zadorin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Jerahmy Pocott > wrote: >> Hi gang, >> >> All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. >> I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it >> wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed >> to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account >> A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to >> another address of mine (I will call that B).. >> >> Mail from my ISP to A: Success. >> Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. >> Mail from server to B: Success. > > how A and B differ? target recipient server is the same? what are post > @ part of the address? A is hosted at webcentral.com.au while B is this address (optus). It is like the webcentral server is silently dropping mail from this server, but it has only suddenly started happening, it has been working perfectly for months.. The server is configured to masquerade out going mail as coming from the same domain as A, which could have something to do with why it would get rejected.. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 17:28:24 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:28:24 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> On 13/03/2008, at 5:14 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:19:00PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >> Hi gang, >> >> All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. >> I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it >> wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed >> to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account >> A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to >> another address of mine (I will call that B).. >> >> Mail from my ISP to A: Success. >> Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. >> Mail from server to B: Success. > > Server is your machine? Yes, well I have access to it any way.. From callumgibson at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 17:35:28 2008 From: callumgibson at optusnet.com.au (Callum Gibson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:35:28 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: References: <26d2cb010803122255m7ec7a764q7ba5061147b1ba4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080313063528.GA37087@omma.gibson.athome> On 13Mar08 17:21, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: }>> Mail from my ISP to A: Success. }>> Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. }>> Mail from server to B: Success. }> }> how A and B differ? target recipient server is the same? what are post }> @ part of the address? } }A is hosted at webcentral.com.au while B is this address (optus). It }working perfectly for months.. The server is configured to masquerade }out going mail as coming from the same domain as A, which could have }something to do with why it would get rejected.. Is 'server' inside your optus ISP network, ie. on a dynamic IP? Are you relaying mail to A via Optus or trying to deliver directly? C -- Callum Gibson @ home http://members.optusnet.com.au/callumgibson/ From baron_munchausen at internode.on.net Thu Mar 13 17:49:30 2008 From: baron_munchausen at internode.on.net (munchausen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:49:30 +1000 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <26d2cb010803121804t4f33320djae4d098001993585@mail.gmail.com> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> <80F0E1C7-BB85-46D1-B05A-AF4A415D13B8@optusnet.com.au> <26d2cb010803121804t4f33320djae4d098001993585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D8CE7A.5010500@internode.on.net> leon zadorin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Jerahmy Pocott > wrote: >> On 13/03/2008, at 9:08 AM, munchausen wrote: >> >> > get Gnome running at all. The new MB (ASrock) has on board video >> > which,of >> > course I tried 2 use. It also came with a fancy Gigabyte ATI 9600 ATI >> > card which doesnt >> > work either. I tried a spare Cirrus Logic card but no luck with that. >> >> It's very difficult to tell you anything more without seeing your >> config file.. > > I'll second that - just send the config and log files (as per > previous request in this thread) > _____________ am 2 embarrased to say that I dont know how 2 do this :-( M. __________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 17:52:56 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:52:56 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <20080313063528.GA37087@omma.gibson.athome> References: <26d2cb010803122255m7ec7a764q7ba5061147b1ba4d@mail.gmail.com> <20080313063528.GA37087@omma.gibson.athome> Message-ID: <946F2056-B601-4249-BB27-863C27A826C4@optusnet.com.au> On 13/03/2008, at 5:35 PM, Callum Gibson wrote: > On 13Mar08 17:21, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > }>> Mail from my ISP to A: Success. > }>> Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. > }>> Mail from server to B: Success. > }> > }> how A and B differ? target recipient server is the same? what are > post > }> @ part of the address? > } > }A is hosted at webcentral.com.au while B is this address (optus). It > > }working perfectly for months.. The server is configured to masquerade > }out going mail as coming from the same domain as A, which could have > }something to do with why it would get rejected.. > > Is 'server' inside your optus ISP network, ie. on a dynamic IP? Are > you > relaying mail to A via Optus or trying to deliver directly? Sorry, I will provide more detail =) 'server', lets call it MX, is sitting on a static address connected to the internets via a company that is unrelated to either A or B domains. MX sends mail directly to recipient mail server, it doesn't use any intermediate upstream relay. Any mail it sends out has the envelope changed to domain A but it does NOT act as a relay for incoming mail to domain A, that is provided by webcentral. Mail via Optus to A (webcentral) = Fine. Mail via MX to A (webcentral) = Not received. Mail via MX to B (optus) = Fine. From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 18:07:38 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:07:38 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] probs. In-Reply-To: <47D8CE7A.5010500@internode.on.net> References: <47D0EEB6.40008@internode.on.net> <47D30FE7.1080002@internode.on.net> <20080308224930.GB2955@k7.mavetju> <4CD3A05E-06FD-40C1-89A9-0EA4EC108198@optusnet.com.au> <0A8A10AF-05F5-4280-8268-30FA5370F5F1@optusnet.com.au> <47D66AF1.7070001@internode.on.net> <47D8545D.2090108@internode.on.net> <80F0E1C7-BB85-46D1-B05A-AF4A415D13B8@optusnet.com.au> <26d2cb010803121804t4f33320djae4d098001993585@mail.gmail.com> <47D8CE7A.5010500@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6C65EB33-C3C9-490E-8507-A70F0B7B28F0@optusnet.com.au> On 13/03/2008, at 5:49 PM, munchausen wrote: > am 2 embarrased to say that I dont know how 2 do this :-( cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | mail -s "my xorg.conf" bugs at bugs.au.freebsd.org From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 13 18:27:08 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:27:08 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 05:28:24PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 13/03/2008, at 5:14 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:19:00PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >> Hi gang, > >> > >> All of a sudden mails from one of my servers to me is going missing.. > >> I recently added a fetchmail daemon and changed a mail alias, but it > >> wasn't until a few days later that I stopped getting log files mailed > >> to me. Investigating I sent mail to my account (lets call it account > >> A) from my isps server and from the server in question as well as to > >> another address of mine (I will call that B).. > >> > >> Mail from my ISP to A: Success. > >> Mail from server to A: Hasn't arrived. > >> Mail from server to B: Success. > > > > Server is your machine? > > Yes, well I have access to it any way.. Good. Start telling us the whole story. Which domain or email address are you talking about? What do the logs on the server say what happened when you delivered it? Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 13 20:36:23 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:36:23 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: On 13/03/2008, at 6:27 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: >> Yes, well I have access to it any way.. > > Good. Start telling us the whole story. > > Which domain or email address are you talking about? > > What do the logs on the server say what happened when you delivered > it? The logs say the message was sent successfully.. Okay, the mail is indeed delivered, but it's not ending up where it should be! So I'v fiddled with a few things and here is the whole story: webcentral.com.au hosts a mail server for the domain, my address (jerahmy.pocott@) is configured to forward all mail to jerahmy at mac.com, which works fine. The only thing that doesn't work is mail from local system users (such as root), the mail gets delivered to the webcentral mail server but never turns up in my mac.com box. I changed the forwarding to leave a copy on the server and the mail is showing up there, but not getting forwarded to or accepted by the mac.com server and no error mail is being sent back anywhere.. So at this point it would seem that the forwarded mail is being silently dropped? This only began happening on the 11th of march.. From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 13 23:09:32 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:09:32 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080313120932.GE2955@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:36:23PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > > webcentral.com.au hosts a mail server for the domain, my address > (jerahmy.pocott@) is configured to forward all mail to > jerahmy at mac.com, which works fine. The only thing that doesn't work is > mail from local system users (such as root), the mail gets delivered > to the webcentral mail server but never turns up in my mac.com box. I Show some logs about this being delivered. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 14 13:49:03 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:49:03 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <20080313120932.GE2955@k7.mavetju> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> <20080313120932.GE2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <18BCDC4B-F0C8-42B5-8511-46BB56B9DB9C@optusnet.com.au> On 13/03/2008, at 11:09 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:36:23PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >> >> webcentral.com.au hosts a mail server for the domain, my address >> (jerahmy.pocott@) is configured to forward all mail to >> jerahmy at mac.com, which works fine. The only thing that doesn't work >> is >> mail from local system users (such as root), the mail gets delivered >> to the webcentral mail server but never turns up in my mac.com box. I > > Show some logs about this being delivered. Oops, I lied.. The mail is actually being relayed by the ISPs upstream server, so the logs only show that server accepting the mail.. How about instead I show you the headers from the mail I used to receive before it stopped working? I think maybe I need to alter the DNS settings so the mac server doesn't drop it as spam perhaps.. (beastie.pamada.com is the mail server) Return-path: Received: from mac.com ([10.150.68.7]) by ms033.mac.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JXH006JQ0IWIQA0 at ms033.mac.com> for jerahmy at mac.com ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bne011m.server-mail.com (bne011m.server-web.com [203.147.165.46]) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin007/MantshX 4.0) with SMTP id m29G1U1N020120 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19346 invoked by uid 56000); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:01:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 19340 invoked from network); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:01:27 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bne003mz.server-mail.com) (203.147.161.67) by bne011m.server-web.com with SMTP; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:01:27 +0000 Received: from fep01.mfe.bur.connect.com.au ([203.63.86.21]) by bne003mz.server-mail.com with - id z41N1Y0100TdHCj1j41Tz6; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:01:27 +1000 Received: from beastie.pamada.com (unknown [210.11.0.118]) by fep01.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE7E10BF5 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:01:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from beastie.pamada.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.pamada.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m29G1L1m099421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:01:21 +1100 Received: (from root at localhost) by beastie.pamada.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/ Submit) id m29G1LwJ099416 for root; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:01:21 +1100 (EST envelope-from root) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:01:21 +1100 (EST) From: Pamada Root Subject: beastie.pamada.com daily run output To: root at beastie.pamada.com Message-id: <200803091601.m29G1LwJ099416 at beastie.pamada.com> Delivered-to: alias-pamadacommb274235-jerahmy.pocott at pamada.com X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail: Scanned Original-recipient: rfc822;jerahmy at mac.com From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 14 17:08:49 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:08:49 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes Message-ID: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> Hi, I'm running OpenBSD 4.2 Xorg 7.2 and X is misbehaving. X starts ok (using startx) but the there lot of wasted space on the left hand side of the screen . xvidtune prints this, hsync range 0: 28.00 - 83.00 vsync range 0: 56.00 - 75.00 "1440x900" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 +hsync -vsyn If I control Ctl Alt + the all the available screen is used and run xvidtune it displays hsync range 0: 28.00 - 83.00 vsync range 0: 56.00 - 75.00 "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync This looks great, fills the display, everything is in proportion, squares are square etc.. I have copied the above mode line in my xorg.conf s Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" #DisplaySize 411 263 ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync #ModeLine "1440x900_106.6" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 +hsync -vsync #HorizSync 28.0 - 83.0 #VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 and Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" # ViewPort 0 0 Modes "1440x900" EndSubSection EndSection When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does not, I still get the squashed display. Any ideas how to fix this? Glenn. Sydney. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From callumgibson at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 14 17:33:20 2008 From: callumgibson at optusnet.com.au (Callum Gibson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:33:20 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does not, }I still get the squashed display. My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, etc. C -- Callum Gibson @ home http://members.optusnet.com.au/callumgibson/ From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 14 17:38:53 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:38:53 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> Message-ID: <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> Callum Gibson wrote: > On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does not, > }I still get the squashed display. > > My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think > it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg > will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log > to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file > anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, etc. > > C > > I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From leonleon77 at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 17:48:27 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:48:27 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > Callum Gibson wrote: > > On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > > }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does not, > > }I still get the squashed display. > > > > My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think > > it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg > > will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file > > anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, etc. > > > > C > > > > > I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: > "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. and what does the rest of the X's log file (which is generated as X start) say? ... in terms of trying to set the mode and subsequently using a given mode, etc. etc. etc.? From edwin at mavetju.org Fri Mar 14 18:57:35 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:57:35 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <18BCDC4B-F0C8-42B5-8511-46BB56B9DB9C@optusnet.com.au> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> <20080313120932.GE2955@k7.mavetju> <18BCDC4B-F0C8-42B5-8511-46BB56B9DB9C@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20080314075735.GF2955@k7.mavetju> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 01:49:03PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > On 13/03/2008, at 11:09 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:36:23PM +1100, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >> > >> webcentral.com.au hosts a mail server for the domain, my address > >> (jerahmy.pocott@) is configured to forward all mail to > >> jerahmy at mac.com, which works fine. The only thing that doesn't work > >> is > >> mail from local system users (such as root), the mail gets delivered > >> to the webcentral mail server but never turns up in my mac.com box. I > > > > Show some logs about this being delivered. > > Oops, I lied.. The mail is actually being relayed by the ISPs upstream > server, so the logs only show that server accepting the mail.. So the mail is deliverd at your ISP but doesn't show up further? I would suggest you contact them first. Give them the message ID, and give them the line from your logfile which says "status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 123456789)". They should be able to figure out what happened with that email. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 14 20:00:53 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:00:53 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> leon zadorin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >> Callum Gibson wrote: >> > On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: >> > }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does not, >> > }I still get the squashed display. >> > >> > My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think >> > it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg >> > will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log >> > to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file >> > anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, etc. >> > >> > C >> > >> > >> I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: >> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. >> > > and what does the rest of the X's log file (which is generated as X > start) say? ... in terms of trying to set the mode and subsequently > using a given mode, etc. etc. etc.? > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > I'm not sure what I'm looking for , there are lots of lines that say "not using" but I can't find one that says "am using" Glenn. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 14 20:19:53 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:19:53 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Missing Mails In-Reply-To: <20080314075735.GF2955@k7.mavetju> References: <20080313061430.GC2955@k7.mavetju> <1807F5C0-14BB-420F-A9FF-9548EC9A1FE2@optusnet.com.au> <20080313072708.GD2955@k7.mavetju> <20080313120932.GE2955@k7.mavetju> <18BCDC4B-F0C8-42B5-8511-46BB56B9DB9C@optusnet.com.au> <20080314075735.GF2955@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: On 14/03/2008, at 6:57 PM, Edwin Groothuis wrote: >> Oops, I lied.. The mail is actually being relayed by the ISPs >> upstream >> server, so the logs only show that server accepting the mail.. > > So the mail is deliverd at your ISP but doesn't show up further? I > would suggest you contact them first. Give them the message ID, and > give them the line from your logfile which says "status=sent (250 > 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 123456789)". They should be able to figure out > what happened with that email. The mail arrives in at webcentral mail box, it should then turn up in my mac mail box, which it does unless the sender of the mail is a local user (the server handles all out going mail, and I receive anything else sent to me), in which case it turns up at webcentral but not mac.. Yet if a local user sends to my mac account it turns up there.. I suppose the simple answer is to put an alias that sends everything directly to the mac.com account.. But it frustrates me that it magically stops working for no reason and no errors are kicked back to me any where! I'm not sure who is to blame for it.. From leonleon77 at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 22:51:36 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:51:36 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803140451m23bc658bmcfc7a9a8f530ae09@mail.gmail.com> post the whole log file (and the name/location of the log file) ? On 3/14/08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > leon zadorin wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > > > >> Callum Gibson wrote: > >> > On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >> > }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does > not, > >> > }I still get the squashed display. > >> > > >> > My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think > >> > it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg > >> > will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check > /var/log/Xorg.0.log > >> > to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file > >> > anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, > etc. > >> > > >> > C > >> > > >> > > >> I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: > >> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. > >> > > > > and what does the rest of the X's log file (which is generated as X > > start) say? ... in terms of trying to set the mode and subsequently > > using a given mode, etc. etc. etc.? > > _______________________________________________ > > BUGS mailing list > > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > > > > > I'm not sure what I'm looking for , there are lots of lines that say > "not using" but I can't find one that says "am using" > Glenn. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > From leonleon77 at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 22:52:59 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:52:59 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803140452l3ae75300r4eafb287f5805bea@mail.gmail.com> On 3/14/08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > leon zadorin wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > > > >> Callum Gibson wrote: > >> > On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >> > }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does > not, > >> > }I still get the squashed display. > >> > > >> > My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think > >> > it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg > >> > will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check > /var/log/Xorg.0.log > >> > to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file > >> > anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, > etc. > >> > > >> > C > >> > > >> > > >> I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: > >> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. > >> > > > > and what does the rest of the X's log file (which is generated as X > > start) say? ... in terms of trying to set the mode and subsequently > > using a given mode, etc. etc. etc.? > > _______________________________________________ > > BUGS mailing list > > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > > > > > > I'm not sure what I'm looking for , there are lots of lines that say > "not using" but I can't find one that says "am using" sorry for top-posting the previous reply of mine... - basically - post the whole log file and it's location/name/filepath... > Glenn. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > From trev at sentry.org Sat Mar 15 00:44:10 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:44:10 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <47DA812A.5090209@sentry.org> Glenn Mawby wrote: > I have copied the above mode line in my xorg.conf s > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > #DisplaySize 411 263 Add the following line here: Option "Preferred Mode" "1440x900" > ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 > 942 -hsync +vsync Oh how I detest Xorg, more of which later :) -- Trevor Roydhouse Mob : 0415-448-273 BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 15 06:51:15 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:51:15 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <26d2cb010803140452l3ae75300r4eafb287f5805bea@mail.gmail.com> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <20080314063320.GA78705@omma.gibson.athome> <47DA1D7D.5000902@yahoo.com.au> <26d2cb010803132348l233146a7j6b8b2e02589dc2d@mail.gmail.com> <47DA3EC5.7020102@yahoo.com.au> <26d2cb010803140452l3ae75300r4eafb287f5805bea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DAD733.2010607@yahoo.com.au> leon zadorin wrote: > On 3/14/08, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >> leon zadorin wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Callum Gibson wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 14Mar08 17:08, Glenn Mawby wrote: >>>>> }When I restart I would expect X to use all the display but it does >>>>> >> not, >> >>>>> }I still get the squashed display. >>>>> >>>>> My random punt would be make sure it's using the xorg.conf you think >>>>> it's using. Over the years the location has changed so much that Xorg >>>>> will look for it in about 4 different locations. Check >>>>> >> /var/log/Xorg.0.log >> >>>>> to make sure you've edited the right one. Otherwise, check that file >>>>> anyway as it will often tell you what has gone wrong, syntax errors, >>>>> >> etc. >> >>>>> C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I checked that but is is oK,(==) Using config file: >>>> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" which is what I edited. >>>> >>>> >>> and what does the rest of the X's log file (which is generated as X >>> start) say? ... in terms of trying to set the mode and subsequently >>> using a given mode, etc. etc. etc.? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BUGS mailing list >>> BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org >>> http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs >>> >>> >>> >> I'm not sure what I'm looking for , there are lots of lines that say >> "not using" but I can't find one that says "am using" >> > > sorry for top-posting the previous reply of mine... - basically - post > the whole log file and it's location/name/filepath... > > This is part of xorg.conf > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > #DisplaySize 411 263 > ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsy > nc +vsync > #ModeLine "1440x900_106.6" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 > +hsync -vsync > #HorizSync 28.0 - 83.0 > #VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 > > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", > ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "SWcursor" # [] > #Option "HWcursor" # [] > #Option "NoAccel" # [] > #Option "ShadowFB" # [] > #Option "UseFBDev" # [] > #Option "Rotate" # [] > #Option "VideoKey" # > #Option "FlatPanel" # "True" > #Option "FPDither" # [] > #Option "CrtcNumber" # > #Option "FPScale" # [] > #Option "FPTweak" # > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "nv" > VendorName "nVidia Corporation" > BoardName "NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > # ViewPort 0 0 > Modes "1440x900" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > and this is the log file and I have attached /var/log/Xorg.0.log and interestingly, xvidtune prints hsync range 0: 28.00 - 83.00 vsync range 0: 56.00 - 75.00 "1440x900" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 +hsync -vsync hmm, why 106.5?! 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Name: Xorg.0.log Url: http://mailman.barnet.com.au/pipermail/bugs/attachments/20080315/95f9b3f9/attachment-0001.ksh From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 15 07:19:40 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:19:40 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA812A.5090209@sentry.org> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <47DA812A.5090209@sentry.org> Message-ID: <47DADDDC.2070607@yahoo.com.au> Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > Glenn Mawby wrote: > > >> I have copied the above mode line in my xorg.conf s >> Section "Monitor" >> Identifier "Monitor0" >> #DisplaySize 411 263 >> > Add the following line here: > Option "Preferred Mode" "1440x900" > >> ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 >> 942 -hsync +vsync >> > > Oh how I detest Xorg, more of which later :) > > Alas the above line made no difference. Thanks for the suggestion. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 15 10:36:45 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:36:45 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <946CA03C-00DC-47D5-9FEE-968661400D35@optusnet.com.au> On 14/03/2008, at 5:08 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > #DisplaySize 411 263 > ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 > 942 -hsync +vsync > #ModeLine "1440x900_106.6" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 > 903 909 934 +hsync -vsync > #HorizSync 28.0 - 83.0 > #VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 > > Option "DPMS" > EndSection From your log: (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1440x900 (pitch 1440) (**) NV(0): *Driver mode "1440x900": 106.5 MHz, 55.9 kHz, 59.9 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 +hsync -vsync (**) NV(0): Driver mode "1440x900": 136.8 MHz, 70.6 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync (**) NV(0): Mode "1440x900": 136.8 MHz, 70.6 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync As you can see the first detected mode for 1440x900 is giving you the 106.5 value and you never specified in your configuration which 1440x900 mode to use, even though you put the one you wanted into the monitor section, they are ALL called "1440x900".. You can see the mode you specified in the config file is showing up twice (once by auto detect and once by being listed on the mode line), but the identification string is the same for all three. Change it to the following: ModeLine "1440x900_136_75" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 - hsync +vsync Option "Preferred Mode" "1440x900_136_75" That then uniquely identifies that mode, the part in "" can be anything you want, it's just a string to identify the mode.. Good luck! Jerahmy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.barnet.com.au/pipermail/bugs/attachments/20080315/305da7b4/attachment.html From leonleon77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 11:23:49 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:23:49 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <946CA03C-00DC-47D5-9FEE-968661400D35@optusnet.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <946CA03C-00DC-47D5-9FEE-968661400D35@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803141723l3987f0acyf90d75ceab7d561a@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/08, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > From your log: ... > As you can see the first detected mode for 1440x900 is giving you the > 106.5 value and you never specified in your configuration which > 1440x900 mode to use, even though you put the one you wanted into the logs - what would we do without them :-) To an original poster - did this solve your issues? From gmawby at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 15 14:22:42 2008 From: gmawby at yahoo.com.au (Glenn Mawby) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:22:42 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] X windows Woes In-Reply-To: <946CA03C-00DC-47D5-9FEE-968661400D35@optusnet.com.au> References: <47DA1671.5040108@yahoo.com.au> <946CA03C-00DC-47D5-9FEE-968661400D35@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47DB4102.2070601@yahoo.com.au> Hi, it works, thanks!! Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > > On 14/03/2008, at 5:08 PM, Glenn Mawby wrote: > >> Section "Monitor" >> Identifier "Monitor0" >> #DisplaySize 411 263 >> ModeLine "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 >> -hsync +vsync >> #ModeLine "1440x900_106.6" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 >> 903 909 934 +hsync -vsync >> #HorizSync 28.0 - 83.0 >> #VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 >> >> Option "DPMS" >> EndSection > > From your log: > > (--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1440x900 (pitch 1440) > (**) NV(0): *Driver mode "1440x900": 106.5 MHz, 55.9 kHz, 59.9 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 > 909 934 +hsync -vsync > (**) NV(0): Driver mode "1440x900": 136.8 MHz, 70.6 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 > 909 942 -hsync +vsync > (**) NV(0): Mode "1440x900": 136.8 MHz, 70.6 kHz, 75.0 Hz > (II) NV(0): Modeline "1440x900" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 > 909 942 -hsync +vsync > > As you can see the first detected mode for 1440x900 is giving you the > 106.5 value and you never specified in your configuration which > 1440x900 mode to use, even though you put the one you wanted into the > monitor section, they are ALL called "1440x900".. You can see the mode > you specified in the config file is showing up twice (once by auto > detect and once by being listed on the mode line), but the > identification string is the same for all three. > > Change it to the following: > > ModeLine "1440x900_136_75" 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 > -hsync +vsync > Option "Preferred Mode" "1440x900_136_75" > > That then uniquely identifies that mode, the part in "" can be > anything you want, it's just a string to identify the mode.. > > Good luck! > Jerahmy. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BUGS mailing list > BUGS at bugs.au.freebsd.org > http://mailman.barnet.com.au/mailman/listinfo/bugs > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 15 14:29:05 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:29:05 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry Message-ID: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> Hey, I'm getting this "mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry" trying to mount a 1TB drive.. It's divided in half (490gb x 2 partitions) using fat32 file system, I think maybe the error is from the sectors being 512 bytes.. But I'm not sure? There is nothing in the man page about an upper limit to sector or disk size for mount_msdosfs.. Is there a limit? It's connected via a JMicron USB to ATA bridge using the umass device (the relative scsi devices are compiled into the kernel) and shows up as da0: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C), but I cannot mount it.. Any ideas? From leonleon77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 16:33:40 2008 From: leonleon77 at gmail.com (leon zadorin) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:33:40 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry In-Reply-To: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> References: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <26d2cb010803142233ye6e229csea453414440ea09e@mail.gmail.com> On 3/15/08, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > I'm getting this "mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry" trying to mount > a 1TB drive.. It's divided in half (490gb x 2 partitions) using fat32 > file system, I think maybe the error is from the sectors being 512 > bytes.. But I'm not sure? There is nothing in the man page about an > upper limit to sector or disk size for mount_msdosfs.. Is there a limit? I don't personally use FreeBSD, but see: http://desktopbsd.net/pipermail/general/2006-April/000072.html from the above: " my FreeBSD 6.0 system did not see the 300GB volume until i recompiled a new kernel with MSDOSFS_LARGE enabled " Of course - my apologies if the latest FreeBSD has it enabled by default... or if it has been moved to 'runtime command line option' (I believe someone made this request a while ago: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2006-December/021726.html )... From trev at sentry.org Sat Mar 15 16:39:04 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:39:04 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry In-Reply-To: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> References: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47DB60F8.3060209@sentry.org> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > I'm getting this "mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry" trying to mount > a 1TB drive.. It's divided in half (490gb x 2 partitions) using fat32 > file system, I think maybe the error is from the sectors being 512 > bytes.. But I'm not sure? There is nothing in the man page about an > upper limit to sector or disk size for mount_msdosfs.. Is there a limit? FAT32 File System Cluster Sizes Partition Size Cluster Size 0 MB - less than 260 MB 512 bytes 260 MB - 8 GB 4,096 bytes 8 GB - 16 GB 8,192 bytes 16 GB - 32 GB 16,384 bytes 32 GB - 2 TB 32,768 bytes -- Trevor Roydhouse Mob : 0415-448-273 BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From trev at sentry.org Sat Mar 15 17:08:56 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:08:56 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry In-Reply-To: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> References: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <47DB67F8.6070302@sentry.org> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Any ideas? The source code (msdosfs_vfsops.c) suggests: error = EINVAL; vfs_mount_error(mp, "Disk too big, try '-o large' mount option"); goto error_exit; (I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE amd64, so this option might not be available to you. It's not documented in the man page for mount_msdosfs btw.) -- Trevor Roydhouse Mob : 0415-448-273 BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From trev at sentry.org Sat Mar 15 17:18:30 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:18:30 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry In-Reply-To: <47DB67F8.6070302@sentry.org> References: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> <47DB67F8.6070302@sentry.org> Message-ID: <47DB6A36.1010209@sentry.org> Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > >> Any ideas? > > The source code (msdosfs_vfsops.c) suggests: > > error = EINVAL; > vfs_mount_error(mp, > "Disk too big, try '-o large' mount option"); > goto error_exit; > > (I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE amd64, so this option might not be > available to you. It's not documented in the man page for mount_msdosfs > btw.) I should have read further whereupon there is a significant caveat: /* * Experimental support for large MS-DOS filesystems. * WARNING: This uses at least 32 bytes of kernel memory (which is not * reclaimed until the FS is unmounted) for each file on disk to map * between the 32-bit inode numbers used by VFS and the 64-bit * pseudo-inode numbers used internally by msdosfs. This is only * safe to use in certain controlled situations (e.g. read-only FS * with less than 1 million files). * Since the mappings do not persist across unmounts (or reboots), these * filesystems are not suitable for exporting through NFS, or any other * application that requires fixed inode numbers. */ vfs_flagopt(mp->mnt_optnew, "large", &pmp->pm_flags, MSDOSFS_LARGEFS); -- Trevor Roydhouse Mob : 0415-448-273 BJuris, LLB, LLM (UNSW) System Developer Australasian Legal Information Institute Web : www.austlii.edu.au From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Sat Mar 15 18:18:56 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:18:56 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] mountmsdosfs(): disk too big, sorry In-Reply-To: <47DB6A36.1010209@sentry.org> References: <56343AD7-2F16-4BF7-BC89-DDCAC887A087@optusnet.com.au> <47DB67F8.6070302@sentry.org> <47DB6A36.1010209@sentry.org> Message-ID: On 15/03/2008, at 5:18 PM, Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > Trevor Roydhouse wrote: >> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: >> >>> Any ideas? >> >> The source code (msdosfs_vfsops.c) suggests: >> >> error = EINVAL; >> vfs_mount_error(mp, >> "Disk too big, try '-o large' mount >> option"); >> goto error_exit; >> >> (I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE amd64, so this option might not be >> available to you. It's not documented in the man page for >> mount_msdosfs >> btw.) > > I should have read further whereupon there is a significant caveat: > > /* > * Experimental support for large MS-DOS filesystems. > * WARNING: This uses at least 32 bytes of kernel memory > (which > is not > * reclaimed until the FS is unmounted) for each file on disk > to map > * between the 32-bit inode numbers used by VFS and the 64-bit > * pseudo-inode numbers used internally by msdosfs. This is > only > * safe to use in certain controlled situations (e.g. read- > only FS > * with less than 1 million files). > * Since the mappings do not persist across unmounts (or > reboots), these > * filesystems are not suitable for exporting through NFS, or > any other > * application that requires fixed inode numbers. > */ > vfs_flagopt(mp->mnt_optnew, "large", &pmp->pm_flags, > MSDOSFS_LARGEFS); So what is the largest msdosfs supported? Read-only doesn't sound terrible useful.. From jlm at caamora.com.au Fri Mar 21 14:16:28 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:16:28 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] that time of year again .... Message-ID: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> greetings all.. i was up this moreing wandering what teh sky looked like a few thousand years ago, so i opened KStars and started fiddling with the time machine that KStars can be. well its vernal equinox and time for thinking about teh latter days of our lives .. thats what i like about easter, a time to reflect about where i have been and what i have done. all the best for teh coming new life, may your god bring you a much happiness as mine has to/for me over teh decaeds. take care, all, live in peace and find happines whereever it hides in your life. most kind regards, sincere best wishes and appreciateions fro all teh help, support and kindness extended me .. sometimes i get so, so frustrated that all i have is a few (mangled at times) words to offer as my 'share' .... thank you jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From matti.k at bigpond.net.au Sun Mar 23 00:00:35 2008 From: matti.k at bigpond.net.au (matti k) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:00:35 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] that time of year again .... In-Reply-To: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> References: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080323000035.54fcfe1d@platypus.freebsd.home> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:16:28 +1100 jonathan michaels wrote: > greetings all.. > greetings jonathan! > i was up this moreing wandering what teh sky looked like a few > thousand years ago, as we all do! :-) > so i opened KStars and started fiddling > with the time machine that KStars can be. a KDE program?? > well its vernal equinox and time for thinking about teh latter > days of our lives .. thats what i like about easter, a time to > reflect about where i have been and what i have done. *gulp* > all the best for teh coming new life, may your god bring you a > much happiness as mine has to/for me over teh decaeds. > > take care, all, live in peace and find happines whereever it > hides in your life. > > most kind regards, sincere best wishes and appreciateions fro > all teh help, support and kindness extended me .. sometimes i > get so, so frustrated that all i have is a few (mangled at > times) words to offer as my 'share' .... all the best to you mate ... your contributions/insights are always appreciated here, as are everyone else's. :-) > thank you > > jonathan > cheers, matti From jlm at caamora.com.au Sun Mar 23 20:45:15 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:45:15 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] that time of year again .... In-Reply-To: <20080323000035.54fcfe1d@platypus.freebsd.home>; from matti k on Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:00:35AM +1100 References: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> <20080323000035.54fcfe1d@platypus.freebsd.home> Message-ID: <20080323204515.04725@caamora.com.au> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:00:35AM +1100, matti k wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:16:28 +1100 > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > greetings all.. > > > > greetings jonathan! > > > i was up this moreing wandering what teh sky looked like a few > > thousand years ago, > > as we all do! :-) > > > so i opened KStars and started fiddling > > with the time machine that KStars can be. > > a KDE program?? now my grumbles concerning kde/x11/window managers slowly getting some traction. > > > well its vernal equinox and time for thinking about teh latter > > days of our lives .. thats what i like about easter, a time to > > reflect about where i have been and what i have done. > > *gulp* no not 'gulp' rather 'thats interesting' that reminds me an ommage to walt disney .. so what, i am more interested int eh hideayo miazaki feature on sbs tonight . my only grumble is teh very very grainy picture. hope teh nikon d80/d200, pentax k20d, or teh canon eos400 some thing'ish .. thats my current short list for the camera project. the more i look the less i am impressed at teh shortcomings of digital photography... grrr. steam boat willy, hand drawn amimation is so much better than even teh best cgi these days .. but miazakis approach has a lot to offer. okok time to put teh feet up and watch teh 'plnes are taking a rest > appreciated here, as are everyone else's. :-) yup we all have some thing to offer, thank you for the kind words, much appreciated. kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From trev at sentry.org Mon Mar 24 18:03:46 2008 From: trev at sentry.org (Trevor Roydhouse) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:03:46 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] DSLRs In-Reply-To: <20080323204515.04725@caamora.com.au> References: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> <20080323000035.54fcfe1d@platypus.freebsd.home> <20080323204515.04725@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <47E75252.7050203@sentry.org> jonathan michaels wrote: > hope teh nikon d80/d200, pentax k20d, or teh canon eos400 some > thing'ish .. thats my current short list for the camera > project. I see Nikon have recently launched the D60 (upgraded D40X) which now has a more advanced feature set than the aging D80/D200 (both probably due for replacement rsn). The new D60 kit lenses are image stabilised 18-55mm and 55-200mm ones which come in under $1,500 including the D60 body. I'm also sure I've seen Canon have launched the EOS-450D upgrade of the EOS-400D Rebel. Never liked the Rebel as the grip was too small and the camera was not well balanced (unlike my Nikon D-50 which is purrfect but now orphaned falling somewhere between the D40 and the superseded D70S). From jlm at caamora.com.au Mon Mar 24 22:36:23 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:36:23 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] DSLRs In-Reply-To: <47E75252.7050203@sentry.org>; from Trevor Roydhouse on Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 06:03:46PM +1100 References: <20080321141628.25320@caamora.com.au> <20080323000035.54fcfe1d@platypus.freebsd.home> <20080323204515.04725@caamora.com.au> <47E75252.7050203@sentry.org> Message-ID: <20080324223623.18936@caamora.com.au> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 06:03:46PM +1100, Trevor Roydhouse wrote: > jonathan michaels wrote: > > > hope teh nikon d80/d200, pentax k20d, or teh canon eos400 some > > thing'ish .. thats my current short list for the camera > > project. > > I see Nikon have recently launched the D60 (upgraded D40X) which now has i saw that too, also found (thanks altavista) http://bythom.com this site has a review that says in a review about teh nikon d200 and its general demeanor "controls that are designed to be used with gloves," > a more advanced feature set than the aging D80/D200 (both probably due this is why i have started looking at d300 .. or get a cheap d200 and (eventually) a couple of lenses, to flesh-out teh menagerie. > for replacement rsn). The new D60 kit lenses are image stabilised > 18-55mm and 55-200mm ones which come in under $1,500 including the D60 body. while i'm conscious of price, i am more concerned about useability, "manual dexterity" issues concerning the the whole assembly (body and lens) and that it be at least usable. this is why i asked my questions > I'm also sure I've seen Canon have launched the EOS-450D upgrade of the > EOS-400D Rebel. Never liked the Rebel as the grip was too small and the > camera was not well balanced (unlike my Nikon D-50 which is purrfect but > now orphaned falling somewhere between the D40 and the superseded D70S). ps (1) how have teh digital bodies travel in comparison to teh day nikon f seris bodies ?? teh d200 etc bodies have magnesium alloy backbones and frames. ps (2) reason for asking, is to get enough information to build myself a reasonable 'birthday present" with the help of a long time friend. -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 27 13:12:32 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:12:32 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes Message-ID: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> At http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/00223.html I have a write up on how to see if your systems need updating for coming Sundays absence of DST changes. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 27 20:09:13 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:09:13 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju>; from Edwin Groothuis on Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:12:32PM +1100 References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> greetings edwin, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:12:32PM +1100, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > At http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/00223.html I have a write up > on how to see if your systems need updating for coming Sundays > absence of DST changes. i noticed some odd things in teh 00223.html page $ wget ftp://ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008X.tar.gz the front bit seems to be a typo, yes ?? and teh actual name of teh relevent file is tzdata2008b.tar.gz so, i tried the following, $ wget ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008b.tar.gz 19:38:17 (5.66 KB/s) - tzdata2008b.tar.gz saved [166544] which seemed to work somewhat better then i did teh usual zic and copied files and when i tried to check teh date/time going forward i discovered something odd for example, $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 0);' Date = Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 2008 $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 7);' Date = Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 2008 $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 14);' Date = Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 2008 i thought i'd gotten it nailed but then i tried the last one and saw the 21:00:00, again. just to check if it is not an anomily i also tried one at 28 days, as well as using the shell scripts one liners as per provided examples. i've tried two hosts thus far and both show the same results as above. both hosts are on freebsd v6.2-release, i'm reticeint to try teh v5.4-release or teh v2.2.5-release that is working a real treat is this an expected result ? i retried the the outlined process and got teh same results, grrr, is my filesystem mangled or have i got some sort of creaping filesystem damage or is something going wrong ?? any ideas ... thoughts, suggestions, place to start looking, it is not that there is much that can go wrong .. is there ? kind regards and much appreciations jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 27 20:16:54 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:16:54 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:09:13PM +1100, jonathan michaels wrote: > > At http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/00223.html I have a write up > > on how to see if your systems need updating for coming Sundays > > absence of DST changes. > > i noticed some odd things in teh 00223.html page > > $ wget ftp://ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008X.tar.gz That double ftp:// happens if you blindly copy and paste :-) > the front bit seems to be a typo, yes ?? and teh actual name of > teh relevent file is tzdata2008b.tar.gz I didn't use the "b" because it changes so often and it will thus be obsolete in three weeks anyway. > then i did teh usual zic and copied files and when i tried to > check teh date/time going forward i discovered something odd > for example, You did check if the time *before* was incorrect, didn't you? > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 0);' > Date = Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 2008 > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 7);' > Date = Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 2008 > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 14);' > Date = Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 2008 > > i thought i'd gotten it nailed but then i tried the last one > and saw the 21:00:00, again. just to check if it is not an > anomily i also tried one at 28 days, as well as using the shell > scripts one liners as per provided examples. That's the expected result: It should be 22:00 on the second wednesday and 21:00 in the third wednesday. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 27 20:35:10 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:35:10 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju>; from Edwin Groothuis on Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:16:54PM +1100 References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:16:54PM +1100, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:09:13PM +1100, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > At http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/html/00223.html I have a write up > > > on how to see if your systems need updating for coming Sundays > > > absence of DST changes. > > > > i noticed some odd things in teh 00223.html page > > > > $ wget ftp://ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008X.tar.gz > > That double ftp:// happens if you blindly copy and paste :-) sooy this is teh second time my poor cooms skills caugth me today, what i meant to say is that it was like that in teh original and i copied it as was in teh posted page then made teh changes and got teh file after i had a look and worked out its correct name .. i was trying to tell teh rest of teh people that might use this to not blinldy cut/paste .. one day i'll get this right ?? > > the front bit seems to be a typo, yes ?? and teh actual name of > > teh relevent file is tzdata2008b.tar.gz > > I didn't use the "b" because it changes so often and it will thus > be obsolete in three weeks anyway. > > > then i did teh usual zic and copied files and when i tried to > > check teh date/time going forward i discovered something odd > > for example, > > You did check if the time *before* was incorrect, didn't you? yes, i did do that and it came in as on teh posted page > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 0);' > > Date = Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 2008 > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 7);' > > Date = Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 2008 > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 14);' > > Date = Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 2008 > > > > i thought i'd gotten it nailed but then i tried the last one > > and saw the 21:00:00, again. just to check if it is not an > > anomily i also tried one at 28 days, as well as using the shell > > scripts one liners as per provided examples. > > That's the expected result: It should be 22:00 on the second wednesday > and 21:00 in the third wednesday. sorry edwing it seems to me that i have missed something here but i don't seem to be able to work out what it is that i have missed, my brain is telling me that i am supposed to be seeing teh 22:00:00 going forward .. i am stuck in a closed loop that i cannot break out off, i would appreciate some help please. much kind regards and sppreciations jonathan stuck behind a locked door, the keys are on teh other side. -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 27 20:39:30 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:39:30 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:35:10PM +1100, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 0);' > > > Date = Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 2008 > > > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 7);' > > > Date = Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 2008 > > > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 14);' > > > Date = Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 2008 > > > > > > i thought i'd gotten it nailed but then i tried the last one > > > and saw the 21:00:00, again. just to check if it is not an > > > anomily i also tried one at 28 days, as well as using the shell > > > scripts one liners as per provided examples. > > > > That's the expected result: It should be 22:00 on the second wednesday > > and 21:00 in the third wednesday. > > sorry edwing it seems to me that i have missed something here > but i don't seem to be able to work out what it is that i have > missed, my brain is telling me that i am supposed to be seeing > teh 22:00:00 going forward .. i am stuck in a closed loop that > i cannot break out off, i would appreciate some help please. Before you should have: $ date -r `expr 1206529200` Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` Wed Apr 2 21:00:00 EST 2008 $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 22:00 - *21*:00 - 21:00 And afterwards you should have: $ date -r `expr 1206529200` Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 EST 2008 $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 22:00 - *22*:00 - 21:00 The 21 on 2 April has been changed to 22. That's the expected behaviour. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From matti.k at bigpond.net.au Thu Mar 27 21:18:33 2008 From: matti.k at bigpond.net.au (matti k) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:18:33 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju> References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080327211833.580a3afe@platypus.freebsd.home> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:39:30 +1100 Edwin Groothuis wrote: > And afterwards you should have: > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200` > Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` > Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` > Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 > > 22:00 - *22*:00 - 21:00 > > The 21 on 2 April has been changed to 22. That's the expected > behaviour. > > Edwin Hi Edwin, is it committed, ie. a source upgrade before then will be ok? Or something just for us (nsw-people) this year? Cheers, Matti From jlm at caamora.com.au Thu Mar 27 22:05:22 2008 From: jlm at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:05:22 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju>; from Edwin Groothuis on Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:39:30PM +1100 References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080327220522.65389@caamora.com.au> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:39:30PM +1100, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:35:10PM +1100, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 0);' > > > > Date = Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 2008 > > > > > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 7);' > > > > Date = Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 2008 > > > > > > > > $ perl -e 'use POSIX;print "Date = ", POSIX::ctime(1206529200 + 86400 * 14);' > > > > Date = Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 2008 > > > > > > > > i thought i'd gotten it nailed but then i tried the last one > > > > and saw the 21:00:00, again. just to check if it is not an > > > > anomily i also tried one at 28 days, as well as using the shell > > > > scripts one liners as per provided examples. > > > > > > That's the expected result: It should be 22:00 on the second wednesday > > > and 21:00 in the third wednesday. > > > > sorry edwing it seems to me that i have missed something here > > but i don't seem to be able to work out what it is that i have > > missed, my brain is telling me that i am supposed to be seeing > > teh 22:00:00 going forward .. i am stuck in a closed loop that > > i cannot break out off, i would appreciate some help please. > > Before you should have: > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200` > Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` > Wed Apr 2 21:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` > Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 > > 22:00 - *21*:00 - 21:00 > > And afterwards you should have: > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200` > Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` > Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 EST 2008 > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` > Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 > > 22:00 - *22*:00 - 21:00 > > The 21 on 2 April has been changed to 22. That's the expected > behaviour. this i now understand, and this is because the dst has ended .. it has been an awkward day, just a bit slower than usual. all finished, all done all working all good .. quick, somebody, anybody, where are those little green ones ??? much kind regards thanks appreciations cheers jonathan (teh slow one) -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Mar 27 21:21:20 2008 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:21:20 +1100 Subject: [BUGS] Don't get caught this sunday with no DST changes In-Reply-To: <20080327211833.580a3afe@platypus.freebsd.home> References: <20080327021232.GA3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327200913.00482@caamora.com.au> <20080327091654.GB3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327203510.63303@caamora.com.au> <20080327093930.GC3145@k7.mavetju> <20080327211833.580a3afe@platypus.freebsd.home> Message-ID: <20080327102120.GF3142@k7.mavetju> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 09:18:33PM +1100, matti k wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:39:30 +1100 > Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > > And afterwards you should have: > > > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200` > > Wed Mar 26 22:00:00 EST 2008 > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` > > Wed Apr 2 22:00:00 EST 2008 > > $ date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 14` > > Wed Apr 9 21:00:00 EST 2008 > > > > 22:00 - *22*:00 - 21:00 > > > > The 21 on 2 April has been changed to 22. That's the expected > > behaviour. > > Hi Edwin, is it committed, ie. a source upgrade before then will be > ok? Or something just for us (nsw-people) this year? If you run 6.3 or 7.0 it is part of the system (don't forget to run tzsetup though). Anything lower should install misc/zoneinfo and run tzsetup. You can see if it all is fine if you run date -r `expr 1206529200 + 86400 \* 7` and it returns 22:00. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin at mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/